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Where are vacation homes located in the US?

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Re: Where are vacation homes located in the US?

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yeah seriously there isn’t enough housing in major cities so the little new construction that isn’t rentals has a good chance of turning into an “investment property” via someone buying the mortgage and immediately turning it into a rental unit or airbnb unit. I really think that cities should either outlaw these type of units or tax them heavily and divert all new funds into new housing construction, or just incenti…

NYC has outlawed them more than 30 days (unless it's just a room and you're in the unit). NY state has legally created a registry and now smaller towns are requiring permits. But Seattle and NYC Airbnbs aren't second homes, it's investments people were trying to play with. A vacation home is more a seasonal spot near a beach or a lake or mountain. That sort of stuff doesn't steal some middle class family's chances of…

> NYC has outlawed them more than 30 days

did it help the problems that are being mentioned here.

Re: Where are vacation homes located in the US?

#92

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Liquidity is a major factor for me thats kept me out of real estate in the past, have the money burning AI buyers helped make home trading more liquid?

Supply and demand makes investments liquid. If there's no demand you're stuck trying to sell. If there's no supply you'll overpay. Why AI?

I am referring to the speed of buying and selling even when there are buyers. In crypto and the stock market its minutes to one day to both sell and get cash in your bank account that can be used for anything else. For real estate its weeks to hundreds of days even if there are many buyers. The AI buyers accelerated that.

I’m asking about people’s experience in a world where AI buyers have already existed for 3-5 years. You’ll have to take a time machine to debate that.

Re: Where are vacation homes located in the US?

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If you treat days of the year as fungible, the math on owning a ski condo looks bad. But if you want the ability to look at the weather forecast, see that it is about to dump, then drive to the mountain before the storm arrives and set up shop before they close the highways, you are not going to pay a lot more than the standard nightly rate.

I would expect that people with that mindset would be willing to pay quite a bit more than the standard nightly rate to have that experience.

Somehow I left an extra “not” in my comment.

A lot of people come to the conclusion that the best way to achieve it is to buy a condo. So you don’t have to do a research project to pick which of the few unbooked places on Airbnb are acceptable before you can go skiing.

Re: Where are vacation homes located in the US?

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I would expect that people with that mindset would be willing to pay quite a bit more than the standard nightly rate to have that experience.

Somehow I left an extra “not” in my comment. A lot of people come to the conclusion that the best way to achieve it is to buy a condo. So you don’t have to do a research project to pick which of the few unbooked places on Airbnb are acceptable before you can go skiing.

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Re: Where are vacation homes located in the US?

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But when you have less money, every dollar counts. The income tax in places like Cali or NYS can be huge because it eats into the disposable income. It could easy cut your disposable income in half or maybe eat it all.

It has been my observation that no-income-tax states make up for it in sales tax and/or property tax. Government is getting its cut one way or another. Of course, retirees will want to skip CA altogether with their income tax and ridiculous sales tax.

As you sort of allude to, YMMV. I moved from California to Nevada and literally all taxation went down.

Income tax from progressive scheme nearing 10% to 0%

Sales tax from ~9% to ~8%

Property taxes are hard to pin to a single value, but with housing prices just being lower in general you wind up paying less for similar footage/amenities

While it doesn't mean the observation is fundamentally inaccurate, it's worth keeping in mind that people looking at states with 0% income tax may be coming from a place where they're just getting reamed because work wants them there. If you're not flying under the SALT cap and work is remote friendly it's worth at least looking around.

Re: Where are vacation homes located in the US?

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Dear map makers who show us by-state break-downs: normalize by the population. The first map tells me this: New York, Florida, and Texas have large populations.

Second map is "Percent of housing units that are vacation homes".

Really highlights the IL->WI gradient.

Re: Where are vacation homes located in the US?

#97

The most interesting part of this is the map of census tracts that shows how most vacation homes are tightly grouped. For example, Florida has a lot of vacation homes (8% of the state's housing vs 3% nationwide), but the vast majority of Florida census tracts have a tiny proportion and vacation homes are the majority in a few small areas. In some areas, the proportion of vacation homes seems to follow population dens…

This[0] might provide some context to your question, links to the New York Times Connectedness map:

[0] https://www.fastcompany.com/90239274/infographic-did-faceboo...

Re: Where are vacation homes located in the US?

#98
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Good plan in theory until you get to the first AirBnb you've pre-booked for 1-4 weeks and it's destroyed with mold. But, then again, some people don't notice marginal increase in neurotoxins.

Couldn’t you say basically the same thing about vacation homes? Plenty of people have shown up to their lake house and found broken windows, leaky roof, broken pipes, etc… that have lead to mold.

Yes.

Re: Where are vacation homes located in the US?

#99
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This explains very little. State income tax is based on your state of residence, not where you have a vacation home, in which by definition you do not live most of the year. Further, it makes no sense to refer to "the state with no income tax", as there are many of those. Granted, there are some working-age people who buy a vacation home with the thought of moving into it permanently a decade or two into the future,…

Or you spend 6 months + 1 day in your 0 tax state (possibly with some creative accounting) and the rest in high income tax state.

> Or you spend 6 months + 1 day in your 0 tax state (possibly with some creative accounting) and the rest in high income tax state

This just protects your 6 months and 1 day. The other 182 days will likely be subject to tax by the high-tax state.

Re: Where are vacation homes located in the US?

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It has been my observation that no-income-tax states make up for it in sales tax and/or property tax. Government is getting its cut one way or another. Of course, retirees will want to skip CA altogether with their income tax and ridiculous sales tax.

As you sort of allude to, YMMV. I moved from California to Nevada and literally all taxation went down. Income tax from progressive scheme nearing 10% to 0% Sales tax from ~9% to ~8% Property taxes are hard to pin to a single value, but with housing prices just being lower in general you wind up paying less for similar footage/amenities While it doesn't mean the observation is fundamentally inaccurate, it's worth kee…

One good measure is tax take as a fraction of state GDP [1].

[1] https://www.sciotoanalysis.com/news/2024/6/25/how-do-state-t...

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