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UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by idiotsecant »

reactordev wrote: post #48
GeekyBear wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The U.S. also attempted to force Apple to add a back door just a decade ago. > Tim Cook, the C.E.O. of Apple, which has been ordered to help the F.B.I. get into the cell phone of the San Bernardino shooters, wrote in an angry open letter this week that "the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create." The second part of that formulation has righ…

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You're 'not at liberty' to post wikipedia links? Or you have knowledge of programs wikipedia doesn't?

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by ferguess_k »

duxup wrote: post #4

I really sort of expected that by the time I reached my age that we'd have more policy makers that understood tech a little better. I feel like in the last say 25 or more years ... the needle hasn't moved.

It has always been politics, not technology. Politicians and bureaucratic always want more power, and they rarely relinquish power they gained temporarily.

It has nothing to do with their technical knowledge. It has everything to do with human nature.

If you want to push back, the law is not on your side.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by varispeed »

duxup wrote: post #4

I really sort of expected that by the time I reached my age that we'd have more policy makers that understood tech a little better. I feel like in the last say 25 or more years ... the needle hasn't moved.

They understand the tech and so their advisers. You are assuming they want to do some do gooding in some sorts of naive and clumsy matter. No. They want control and they know perfectly well the implications.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by doublerabbit »

snickerbockers wrote: post #10

> The UK official added, this “limits what we’re able to do in the future, particularly in relation to AI regulation.” The Labour government has delayed plans for AI legislation until after May next year. What did they mean by this

The UK AI bill included a proposal to create an AI authority, forcing third party to align with their approaches to AI.

They've been looking to use AI for consumer surveillance; AI user monitoring essentially.

"We can't have a backdoor so we can't use AI to monitor the user"

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by lenerdenator »

kstrauser wrote: post #45
lenerdenator wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's associated with Palantir. He can't be pushing for privacy.

Sure he can. In an ideal world (from the US gov't's perspective), all communications everywhere would be encrypted, and only they'd have the workarounds to access the data anyway. I'm not being sarcastic. For real, what major government wouldn't want that in their favor?

They have to know that there's no monopoly on those workarounds.

Unless they're even more hubristic than we imagined.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by eamonnsullivan »

DrBazza wrote: post #90
duxup wrote: post #4

I really sort of expected that by the time I reached my age that we'd have more policy makers that understood tech a little better. I feel like in the last say 25 or more years ... the needle hasn't moved.

Sadly, UK Parliament is made up of political careerists and art students, which is probably similar to most Western democracies. There's a saying 'those who can do, those who can't teach', it probably needs a final 'and those that can't teach, go into politics'. Every time ukgov tries to make some sort of tech policy, it's embarassingly wrong, or naive, or both. This comes from a country that effectively gave away AR…

I'm a principal software engineer with a degree in history. You don't need a science degree to understand most of these issues sufficiently to legislate them. But you need humility and a willingness to learn. That, sadly, is lacking in too many governments and civil services.

Also, the people pushing for these measure (e.g., the U.K's equivalent of the NSA, GCHQ and most national-level police departments) understand these issues perfectly well.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

DrBazza wrote: post #90
duxup wrote: post #4

I really sort of expected that by the time I reached my age that we'd have more policy makers that understood tech a little better. I feel like in the last say 25 or more years ... the needle hasn't moved.

Sadly, UK Parliament is made up of political careerists and art students, which is probably similar to most Western democracies. There's a saying 'those who can do, those who can't teach', it probably needs a final 'and those that can't teach, go into politics'. Every time ukgov tries to make some sort of tech policy, it's embarassingly wrong, or naive, or both. This comes from a country that effectively gave away AR…

The leader of the opposition studied computer engineering (before going on to law). Sadly she used the knowledge gained to hack the website of the deputy leader of Labour Party.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by thatguy0900 »

duxup wrote: post #4

I really sort of expected that by the time I reached my age that we'd have more policy makers that understood tech a little better. I feel like in the last say 25 or more years ... the needle hasn't moved.

You'd have to convince politicians they shouldn't be trying to die of old age in office before we started getting people who know tech

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by kstrauser »

lenerdenator wrote: post #95
kstrauser wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure he can. In an ideal world (from the US gov't's perspective), all communications everywhere would be encrypted, and only they'd have the workarounds to access the data anyway. I'm not being sarcastic. For real, what major government wouldn't want that in their favor?

They have to know that there's no monopoly on those workarounds. Unless they're even more hubristic than we imagined.

Even if other nations have access to the plaintext, that beats all nations having that access.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by lenkite »

wkat4242 wrote: post #57
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just seems very unrealistic wishful thinking that Europe would suddenly become good at these kinds of software after spending the last few decades being bad at it.

It's a lot easier now because there's a huge demand all of a sudden for local services. Previously it was hard to compete with the US because the lack of regulation there and investors in the EU having more expectations rather than just throwing money at the wall and hoping it sticks. But with the exploitative business models like Google's consumer tracking and now with Trump and his trade wars the US is no longer vi…

After the local EU services/products all have Brussels Mandated encryption back-doors and permit free decrypting of your private data, I will bet there will be a surge back to non-EU services.

https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/eu-pushes-for-backdoors-in-...

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