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You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

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Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

#91

How do 10% not know boys don't lay eggs and the plurality not realize we don't eat roosters

People are not required to think about the food, so they don't. For example, it's widely known that milk comes from cows, but not that the cow needs to be pregnant in order to do so, again and again. It's just not something that one faces in their day to day life. These things just spawn on supermarket shelves, and that's about it.

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

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To those arguing that this is irrelevant, I urge you to search for a video of this "culling" yourself. All the logic in the world can't ease my stomach after watching a conveyer belt of chicks get dumped directly into a meat grinder. It's simply not right. And while there are still many issues remaining in the meat industry (arguably its existence at all), this is one less.

> conveyer belt of chicks get dumped directly into a meat grinder. I haven't seen it, and correct me if this is not the case, but it doesn't strike me as a bad way to go. Getting macerated beats most of the ways humans and wild animals die. Do these chicks have any idea "what hit them"?

It's mercifully fast but it's still absolutely mass wholesale slaughtering of chicks because they're economically inconvenient. Also as quick and near painless as the death is it's hard to get the image of the chicks going into the grinder if you've seen it, no matter how much you know that it's fast and the chick doesn't have time to feel anything it's pretty affecting.

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

#93
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you are putting words into my mouth. Try to argue in good faith through understanding the other party's viewpoint before responding. I don't see much difference between killing chicks after them being born, or stopping them from being born in the first place. The only difference is in the efficiency of business operations. If my values are that each deserves a chance at a life--whatever life it may be, I can advo…

Nobody is putting words in your mouth. They are reacting directly to the absolutely bonkers statements you are making that there is ethically no difference between killing 350 million live, healthy male chicks every year and preventing those chicks from being born in the first place.

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Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

#94
post #59

Does anyone know _how_ the detection process works? And is there anything done to the hen or the egg during that process that could make the egg less healthy or nutritious?

hormone testing was first and can work from 9 days (eggs hatch at day 21). Optical means (tend to work at a later point in the process around day 13-15), including various forms of spectroscopy (NMR, IR, etc): shine a light at the egg and look for differences.

Egg should be absolutely fine, but there will be a chick in there, so if you wanted to eat it like an egg, you might end up closer to balut than you want / expect.

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

#95

Is there really a big difference if the chick is destroyed shortly before or shortly after hatching? Why is hatched-or-not the ethical standard?

If destroyed early enough one imagines it doesn't have a sufficient brain to have a conscious awareness of its existence and therefore would not suffer fear not pain

Then what about the chickens we slaughter for meat?

I don't see how you can support this in-ovo thing, and also eat meat. They seem to be in opposition.

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

#96
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> conveyer belt of chicks get dumped directly into a meat grinder. I haven't seen it, and correct me if this is not the case, but it doesn't strike me as a bad way to go. Getting macerated beats most of the ways humans and wild animals die. Do these chicks have any idea "what hit them"?

There's an effect where the visceral emotional response to an execution method overrides the actual cruelty of the act. Lethal injection, for example, is probably horribly painful for at least some of those that experience it[1] but it looks humane to observers. Meanwhile, the trusty guillotine would be my chosen way to go since it's nearly instant. [1] https://eji.org/news/lethal-injections-cause-suffocation-and...

Nitrogen suffocation any day of the week in my opinion. Your brain lives long enough after the guillotine you definitely have time to feel the pain of the cut while your brain can't even register the hypoxic effects from N2 suffocation.

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

#97
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People have been killing male chicks, and keeping just a single rooster since the beginning of chickens Also is the quality of the life of these non-culled female chickens good somehow?

The point is to not have to wait for the male chicks to be born.

The article is about morality. Comment about economics. Implementation costs more. Ok.

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

#98

How do 10% not know boys don't lay eggs and the plurality not realize we don't eat roosters

I wouldn't have thought we don't eat roosters. We eat bulls, so the line of thought that you use one sex for production and one for meat is kinda easy? (and hens for meat when they age out of laying etc)

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

#99
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"I don't see much difference between killing chicks after them being born, or stopping them from being born in the first place." I do. One of those involves a (presumably painful) death of a conscious animal. The other does not.

The other option - a living female chick - also ends in the premature death of a conscious animal, additionally after a (presumably painful) life. Does it not?

Sure. That doesn't mean that there is no difference between not having a male chick being born compared to killing it directly after it has been sexed.

Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens

#100
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is to not have to wait for the male chicks to be born.

The article is about morality. Comment about economics. Implementation costs more. Ok.

My comment is exactly as much about morality as the article is, or as your comment is.
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