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Re: Mwm – The smallest usable X11 window manager

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Oh no, I accidentally duplicated a function call while quickly rewriting the code for fun, what a terrible sin! (as a side note, I didn't even compile the code but I after quick check I don't see any notes on the man page that suggest that the accidental spurious repeated call could cause a problem) I understand that you might not like that style but I think you're comming a bit too strong on this, especially conside…

It was not my intention to make you sad or angry. I assure you that I have nothing against who uses a different coding style than mine. But consider that, just like you, I too have the right to tell the world what my preference is. Should I have softened my post with more "IMHO", "I feel", "my taste"? Probably, and I apologize. Please don't stop participating in social media just because a halfwit like me hasn't agre…

You know it's not about the disagreement, it's about that toxic need to be a smart-ass that's so prevalent in social media (including this platform).

I would've loved to engage in a conversation about coding styles such as MISRA, CERTs or even the small tweaks such as the one that offended you so deeply but you wasted the opportunity to engage in a constructive convesartion and instead chose to nitpick the "reformatting" thing (seriously, I just moved things around slightly, it's the same thing) or the nothing-burger "bug"...

I don't know, maybe I misinterpreted you and if that's the case then I apologize but when I saw that code and felt the urge to play/doodle I thought it could be a fun way to connect with someone over something silly and I just got disappointed.

Re: Mwm – The smallest usable X11 window manager

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post #77

The very essential things a window manager should let me do are: Launch applications (which might create new windows). Switch between windows. Close windows. That sounds like the people who grew up using nothing but a smartphone all their lives. I find that there's an entire new generation of developers (and likely users) who don't understand basic window management at all --- all they have on their huge monitors all…

I find your stance uneducated. I use tiling vm fully (sway) and mostly work in single app full screen, one desktop per app, which is the least disruptive way possible to use a PC for work. You should try it.

It's stupid to have a huge monitor (or monitors) and then use only a tiny fraction of it. I don't need a little window showing a few lines of text to be any bigger than it needs to be.

You should try it.

I've used an Android phone plugged into a monitor before when I had nothing else. Doesn't work for anything but the most trivial of situations, which IMHO says just how much work you actually do and how much information you actually use in your work. I need to look at multiple documents simultaneously to compare and refer to them. Switching between windows all the time and trying to memorise what they showed for a second or two is a stupid inefficiency.

Re: Mwm – The smallest usable X11 window manager

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post #81

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If you want a single application fullscreen, you can just not start a window manager though.

In practice multiple applications get confused, and some don't support -geometry or equivalent. One specific case I dealt with was Chrome/Chromium that provided all sorts of annoyances until we dropped in a minimal WM (back then it was awesomewm, I didn't know about cage or it didn't exist yet)

> applications get confused

Haven't had that yet. I thought of a single application the whole time, aka. kiosk, then it shouldn't matter.

Re: Mwm – The smallest usable X11 window manager

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While this leaves a lot to be desired as a window manager, it illustrates one of my main gripes about the Wayland ecosystem: By effectively bundling the window manager and X server, it makes it much harder for more niche/experimental window managers to come about and stay alive. Even with things like wlroots, you have to invest a lot more work to get even the basics working that X11 will give you for free.

YAGN more experimental/niche window managers. Windows and macOS get by fine on one apiece, in fact their desktop story is better because their WM and toolkit is standardized. The developers of Wayland (who are identical to the developers of Xorg) aspire to more of a Windows/Mac-like ecosystem for Linux, in which standardization, performance, and support for modern graphics hardware without hacks or workarounds are pr…

The few times I've had to use Windows and OS X for work has been sheer misery because of the poor window management.

More of a Windows/Mac-like ecosystem for Linux sounds like an awful threat.

Re: Mwm – The smallest usable X11 window manager

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In practice multiple applications get confused, and some don't support -geometry or equivalent. One specific case I dealt with was Chrome/Chromium that provided all sorts of annoyances until we dropped in a minimal WM (back then it was awesomewm, I didn't know about cage or it didn't exist yet)

> applications get confused Haven't had that yet. I thought of a single application the whole time, aka. kiosk, then it shouldn't matter.

In ye olden times, when most X11 applications understood "-geometry" and didn't try to do too much in absence of WM, things worked.

Chromium and possibly others (Chromium is just what I have personally dealt with) was confused about what did it mean to be fullscreen, and various other ideas regarding placing itself on screen.

I did success in making it work for a time, but it was problematic.

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