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Re: Data on How America Sold Out Its Computer Science Graduates

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Post by rayiner »

esseph wrote: post #88
rayiner wrote: post #78

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In practice, H1B is a pipeline to citizenship, not just for the worker but their immediate family and extended family (due to family sponsorship). One H1 visa to my dad resulted in seven additional Bangladeshis in the U.S. And my dad did not sponsor a fraction of the family members he could have. Moreover, foreign mindsets are durable over generations: https://www.sup.org/books/economics-and-finance/culture-tran... (…

> "Moreover, foreign mindsets are durable over generation" Right, and most countries are very conservative compared to the US, in particular many of the countries that the average H1B holder is from. India, for example. That means Republican voters. The entire premise is flawed fearmongering.

Anglo culture is distinctive both in its liberalism and its conservatism. My Bangladeshi family are well to the right of American republicans when it comes to say tattoos or divorce, but they don’t care about limited government or legal proceduralism.

I don’t have to fear monger. The cake is already baked. David Shor estimates that Trump tied or narrowly won foreign-born voters. Mass immigration didn’t kill the GOP, but it changed what kind of conservative party could assemble a winning coalition. And it looks like more like Trump (or Bolsonaro or Modi) and less like Mitt Romney or George H.W. Bush. Hope Obama was worth it!

Re: Data on How America Sold Out Its Computer Science Graduates

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Post by airocker »

tomhow wrote: post #90
airocker wrote: post #83

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Sure, but llm may be more unbiased and give high quality summary. But I won’t do it again, I am sure you have thought about it much more than I have.

Thanks! The main reason is that we don’t know what important details are left out when the article is summarized, then if people make comments in response to the summary instead of reading the whole article, the discussion thread is somewhat poisoned.

Makes sense. Btw, I gave you two likes since you have pretty low karma here on HN :) and I know how that feels.

Re: Data on How America Sold Out Its Computer Science Graduates

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Post by shivasaxena »

franktankbank wrote: post #64
intermerda wrote: post #54

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Top comment on that article > This is just so completely outrageous. > And Trump just approved another wave of Indians on H1B's for next year. They would rather be poor and underdeveloped than have immigrants start more than half of billion dollar+ startups. “If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down…

> half of billion dollar+ startups. Billion dollar raises, not billion dollar profitable business. What exactly are these startups doing besides mega grifting and creating more useless layers of tech?

People said same thing about Uber not being profitable. While it was clear to people like Gurly that Uber is creating immense value for its owners.

Re: Data on How America Sold Out Its Computer Science Graduates

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Post by tomhow »

airocker wrote: post #92
tomhow wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks! The main reason is that we don’t know what important details are left out when the article is summarized, then if people make comments in response to the summary instead of reading the whole article, the discussion thread is somewhat poisoned.

Makes sense. Btw, I gave you two likes since you have pretty low karma here on HN :) and I know how that feels.

Heh, thanks :)

Re: Data on How America Sold Out Its Computer Science Graduates

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Post by lazide »

potato3732842 wrote: post #48
lazide wrote: post #33

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Bwaha. I have never met an H1B in tech that was doing a job that an American could not do. The ‘mandatory interviews for Americans’ are just transparent scams.

That's because the system was sold with a lie or has otherwise been co-opted with revisions over the years. It was supposed to be for hiring wernher von braun type world leading experts in their field. It was never supposed to be for hiring a bunch of code plumbers, which is what 99.9% of this industry consists of.

Eh - H1B the status was created in the 90’s, and immediately was used for ‘code plumbers’.

You’re probably thinking of the O-1 Visa, though that was also created in the ‘90’s.

[https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary...]

Re: Data on How America Sold Out Its Computer Science Graduates

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Post by esseph »

rayiner wrote: post #91
esseph wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Moreover, foreign mindsets are durable over generation" Right, and most countries are very conservative compared to the US, in particular many of the countries that the average H1B holder is from. India, for example. That means Republican voters. The entire premise is flawed fearmongering.

Anglo culture is distinctive both in its liberalism and its conservatism. My Bangladeshi family are well to the right of American republicans when it comes to say tattoos or divorce, but they don’t care about limited government or legal proceduralism. I don’t have to fear monger. The cake is already baked. David Shor estimates that Trump tied or narrowly won foreign-born voters. Mass immigration didn’t kill the GOP,…

> Hope Obama was worth it!

This country just cannot get over a black man being president.

The day he was elected the first time, the statement echoed in the small diner I was in a table over was "I can't believe he won, he's not one of us."

That's the day I realized how fucked this place is.

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