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Australia is introducing age checks for search engines like Google

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Re: Australia is introducing age checks for search engines like Google

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The "online safety" of kids is just an excuse, I suspect. Australia really wants to be able to identify and track the ID of all their citizens online. No more Internet anonymity for them.

Reasonable assumption but really our politicians just are that dumb.

Dumb people don't rise to seats of power.

It's more like playing dumb, willfully ignoring the issues to serve ulterior motives.

Re: Australia is introducing age checks for search engines like Google

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This is just a step towards killing anonymity and free speech online, as well as a hand out to shady government contractors. We are going to have to give our IDs and biometrics to untrusted 3rd parties just because some people don't like the idea of other people's kids using the internet. If these sites are so bad, maybe laws should instead target that problem. For example, make it illegal for social media companies…

I am old enough to remember how hard it was to find access to adult mags. I understand that they want to make it harder for kids to access the flood of material that will destroy their brains before they even realize it. Unlimited access to materials not intended and understandable by evolving kids’ brains is not really good. BBC Channel 4 had a documentary in which a psychologist described 16-year-old boys with erec…

In the last 30 years it never was difficult. I remember very well that as a kid it was easy to buy them from kiosks despite being far from old enough. Otherwise there was books, movies on tv, things circulating at school like materials from parents found and stolen by kids...

And let's not even forget that maybe 50 to 100 years ago, "kids" could more commonly be married and have kids under this arbitrary limit of 18 years old and that did not make them crazier adults than what we have now. At that time, 20 was easily already mid life. Still take care to not compare with countries of today were kids are still able to marry young. These are usually retarded countries were kids are clearly forced and abused to do that.

Re: Australia is introducing age checks for search engines like Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am old enough to remember how hard it was to find access to adult mags. I understand that they want to make it harder for kids to access the flood of material that will destroy their brains before they even realize it. Unlimited access to materials not intended and understandable by evolving kids’ brains is not really good. BBC Channel 4 had a documentary in which a psychologist described 16-year-old boys with erec…

> I am old enough to remember how hard it was to find access to adult mags. It wasn't difficult to find, it was just in your parents' or siblings' drawers, or your friends had it, or you or someone else had Pay-per-view TV or one of the soft core channels, or you or someone had illegal cable/sattelite, or it was just out in the woods[1] for whatever reason. No one's minds melted from that. If access to content is so…

> If access to content is so unhealthy for anyone, then policy should address that

Kids aren't the same as adults. It's like saying "no one should drive/smoke/drink because kids aren't allowed to".

> cartoon adult content in with his comic books. This was shit from literally 100 years ago, and yet that generation turned out alright by most standards

You can't be comparing, surely? A drawn picture of breasts compared to the most hardcore and (almost always female) degrading stuff imaginable in 4k?

Re: Australia is introducing age checks for search engines like Google

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post #53

This is just a step towards killing anonymity and free speech online, as well as a hand out to shady government contractors. We are going to have to give our IDs and biometrics to untrusted 3rd parties just because some people don't like the idea of other people's kids using the internet. If these sites are so bad, maybe laws should instead target that problem. For example, make it illegal for social media companies…

The "online safety" of kids is just an excuse, I suspect. Australia really wants to be able to identify and track the ID of all their citizens online. No more Internet anonymity for them.

Jokingly, it’s not surprising given many of their short-term ancestors were prison guards or criminals.

Looks like the ruling gov still sees their citizens as such

Re: Australia is introducing age checks for search engines like Google

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This is just a step towards killing anonymity and free speech online, as well as a hand out to shady government contractors. We are going to have to give our IDs and biometrics to untrusted 3rd parties just because some people don't like the idea of other people's kids using the internet. If these sites are so bad, maybe laws should instead target that problem. For example, make it illegal for social media companies…

And this will lead to demand for ID-validated specific proxy malware that detect who has authenticated with ID services and give others a way to browse the web normally again through them. Those with the ID proxy malware will take the fall for anything the rest of us using the proxy do.

Maybe after a decade of wrongful arrests the laws will become more sane and just require server operators to use RTA labels [1] and clients to check for said labels to active optional parental controls as determined by the parents or legal guardians. No 3rd party leaky junk.

[1] - https://www.rtalabel.org/index.php?content=howtofaq#single

Re: Australia is introducing age checks for search engines like Google

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No. We all have been 16 in different world. Now pornography starts at 10 using classmate’s cellphone.

"Now pornography starts at 10 using classmate’s cellphone." I went to Australian schools. For comparison I'm old enough to remember when a brand of bubble gum came with cards that had photographs of famous female film stars on them. Whenever we boys got duplicate photos we'd swap them with one another (it was pot luck, until we unwrapped the gum we couldn't see the photo). I recall an incident in the classroom where…

In the above comment I should have mentioned how risk averse and conservative Australian society is, and it was even more so at the time that incident took place in the classroom—especially so in sexual matters.

It's worth reading this short piece about British conductor Sir Eugene Goossens who in the mid 1950s was conductor of the Sydney Symphony Orchestra and after a tour of the UK brought photographic material back to Australia that was deemed pornographic by Australian Customs. He was arrested, he resigned and his life was ruined for something many nowadays wouldn't give a second thought about (although different, the tragedy has shades about it reminiscent of what happened to Oscar Wilde): https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/law/british-conducto...

The Goossens incident was a classic instance of Australian conservatism—conservative values—in action.

It happened some years before my classroom incident but Australian Society's views were essentially still static, not much had changed by then.

That said, things did change and by the mid 1970s Australia had largely caught up with the sexual revolution of the 1960s, nevertheless its society has always retained a high level of conservatism and conservative values about it.

The background behind these new internet regulations is both complex and nuanced. That they've managed to take hold and become law almost without so much as a squeak from the population is partly explained because of that risk averse conservatism but also as there's been no opposition to speak of. By and large, Australians do not complain enough when their politicians enact laws that are authoritarian and unjust. It's rare for Australians to take to the streets on mass and demonstrate. The last time I witnessed that was during the Vietnam demonstrations of the late '60s when a broad cross section of the population took to the streets—and guess what, the laws were changed, politicians actually took note (numbers really matter).

These days demonstrations are largely carried out by minority interests, politicians take little interest and not much happens, and the Establishment still gets its way. The population watches on with little interest and often takes the view that such 'radicals' ought to be off the streets.

The reasons for the population's complacency are too complex to cover here except to make the point again that the conservative nature of Australian society makes it easy for politicians to convince the population that authoritarian law is in Society's best interests. Likewise, politicians are easily convinced by vested interests to that effect for the same reasons.

The large migration of recent decades has brought with it additional complexity, it's changed Australian Society greatly. Migrants have brought both cultural and religious values with them many of which are traditionally conservative (but by nature very different to traditional Australian conservatism). Given migrant numbers, Australia is more conservative now than it was say 30/40 years ago but not to the extent it was in the 1950s.

Moreover, as cultural differences now exist across large sections of the population the Nation no longer speaks with one voice on many issues as it one did (politics back then was fought across a narrow spectrum of interests). These differences not only make governments even more suspicious of their citizenries they also enable power brokers and vested interests to more easily manipulate Government to have it change laws than would have been the situation decades ago when the Nation spoke more with one voice on many issues.

In recent years there have been multiple instances of successive Australian Governments having taken advantage of divided opinion across society to change laws—laws that effectively take power from the Citizenry and cede it to themselves. These privacy-busting authoritarian laws/regulations are now on the statutes simply because there was not enough opposition to them. It's another classic instance of united we stand divided we fall.

Re: Australia is introducing age checks for search engines like Google

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> I am old enough to remember how hard it was to find access to adult mags. It wasn't difficult to find, it was just in your parents' or siblings' drawers, or your friends had it, or you or someone else had Pay-per-view TV or one of the soft core channels, or you or someone had illegal cable/sattelite, or it was just out in the woods[1] for whatever reason. No one's minds melted from that. If access to content is so…

> If access to content is so unhealthy for anyone, then policy should address that Kids aren't the same as adults. It's like saying "no one should drive/smoke/drink because kids aren't allowed to". > cartoon adult content in with his comic books. This was shit from literally 100 years ago, and yet that generation turned out alright by most standards You can't be comparing, surely? A drawn picture of breasts compared…

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Re: Australia is introducing age checks for search engines like Google

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This isn't just asking for your age, its going to require verification of that through ID.

Australia requires ID to purchase alcohol yet alcohol usage among under 18s is widespread.

My point being is that it won't be as easy as simply saying you were born in 1970. You will need to use other avenues to circumvent the checks.

And yeah, majority of Chinese people use a VPN to get around similar blocks.

Re: Australia is introducing age checks for search engines like Google

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This is just a step towards killing anonymity and free speech online, as well as a hand out to shady government contractors. We are going to have to give our IDs and biometrics to untrusted 3rd parties just because some people don't like the idea of other people's kids using the internet. If these sites are so bad, maybe laws should instead target that problem. For example, make it illegal for social media companies…

> We are going to have to give our IDs and biometrics to untrusted 3rd parties just because some people don't like the idea of other people's kids using the internet.

Depends on the implementation. Germany has digital passports already and for age verification the only data you transmit is your date of birth.

I don't know anything about Ozzy passports tho.

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