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What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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It's amazing what + a diet of "real"/non-processed foods will do for your health.

> non-processed foods Do you really not eat bread? We've got to come up with better ways to categorize foods. At face value such a term seems to imply you should only eat raw food.

It is not difficult to make your own bread as well, so easily avoided eating non-processed bread.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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> 5 - 9 means strong effects, definitely not placebo. It’s impossible for anyone to say this convincingly about their own experience. If it were easy to tell whether an effect was due to placebo, we wouldn’t need blinded trials!

We certainly shouldn't accept subjective evaluations as proof of effectiveness, but that does not give it zero value. The more subtle the effect or the more invested the subject is in establishing the effectiveness of an intervention (or any of many other confounders) the less likely it is to represent proof.

But it is evidence. Think of this as more observational science rather than experimental science; we have to do some work to determine whether it is worth trying to do blinded experiments to validate an effective, and this is that work.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Related: Scott Alexander did a survey and provided analysis for Nootropic effectiveness - https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/nootropics-survey-2020-resu...

This post not only directly references that, but even incorporates the SSC/ACT data into the dataset.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

>It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form. I don't think it's that weird. Exercising, particularly cardio, for its own sake, without something you're trying to accomplish with your effort, feels very bad.

Humans are evolutionarily adapted to running. Yes, going from a modern sedentary lifestyle to running will feel rough for a few months as you acclimate (and most people don't start off at the slow 11 min. / mile [7 min. / km] pace they should). But there's a reason marathons are so popular, running and exercise starts to feel really good.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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>It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form. I don't think it's that weird. Exercising, particularly cardio, for its own sake, without something you're trying to accomplish with your effort, feels very bad.

"Not exercising" also feels very bad, just on a different time scale.

A time scale that the human brain is terrible at recognizing or adapting to or internalizing.

Our reward hardware doesn't work well for exercising because it wasn't needed for exercising. You either did physical activity or you starved to death.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

I think the big road block for many people is that exercise itself also hurts? I know that is a hurdle I have with my kids. They complain that jogging/running hurts. It is hard to convince people that that never really changes, and that it also hurts for the people that are doing it every day. Obviously acute pains are a different thing, but there is a reason recovery is a vital part of exercise. We all have to recov…

I suspect there's a problem with 20th century materials underlying this.

There's no particular reason why running on asphalt, or even running on a treadmill, shouldn't hurt. It might! It's not a natural surface. And hard surface + modern shoes might not be a good enough combo to overcome the pain it creates.

I live near a beach and run on sand every other day; I don't have body pain problems. But change the surface and I think I would.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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> non-processed foods Do you really not eat bread? We've got to come up with better ways to categorize foods. At face value such a term seems to imply you should only eat raw food.

It is not difficult to make your own bread as well, so easily avoided eating non-processed bread.

> so easily avoided eating non-processed bread.

How do you make bread without flour? Flour is a processed food.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you, but a few days in a gym can fuck you up for an entire year, even with a lot of experience. I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. Maybe if you are underdoing it its possible but if you follow the muscle building theory, you are certainly going to get fucked eventua…

> I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time.

As a counterpoint, since you seem to like anecdata: I am around 50 and have been doing weightlifting for the last 8 years. No pain. No injury. Extreme positive effects on my entire life.

I would respectfully suggest that you need to a) know what you are doing, e.g. start with a trainer, and b) not try to be an olympic athlete, e.g. reach reasonable benchmarks and not try to be a weightlifting champ.

I don't know what "exercise professors" are, but you might want to talk to different people.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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I think the big road block for many people is that exercise itself also hurts? I know that is a hurdle I have with my kids. They complain that jogging/running hurts. It is hard to convince people that that never really changes, and that it also hurts for the people that are doing it every day. Obviously acute pains are a different thing, but there is a reason recovery is a vital part of exercise. We all have to recov…

I suspect there's a problem with 20th century materials underlying this. There's no particular reason why running on asphalt, or even running on a treadmill, shouldn't hurt. It might! It's not a natural surface. And hard surface + modern shoes might not be a good enough combo to overcome the pain it creates. I live near a beach and run on sand every other day; I don't have body pain problems. But change the surface a…

Running on asphalt is almost certainly easier than running on anything in the past. Try running on a rocky beach someday. :D. Running cross country through trails, you should expect that you will be going far slower than you could comfortably do on asphalt.

The shoes things is an odd one. Current thinking is that a lot of the effort people went through to dampen the shock to knees oddly resulted in people accepting longer periods of stress on their knees than they would have had they learned a different gait. That said, building up callouses on your feet, as was the norm before shoes, by definition hurts?

I hate that I put "running" as my example. Standing and walking would also make my point. Physically using your body is more difficult than not. And if you aren't used to it, it is a type of hurting.

Heck, learning to play a musical instrument is the same way. Guitars hurt your fingers as you build up the ability to play. Piano doesn't have the same pain, but expect a sore hand after a few sessions.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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I have chronic fatigue problems, which exercise exacerbates. I swim 3 times a week, but have to carefully regulate the intensity or it triggers post-exertional malaise. The exercise is important for my general health but it isn't positively correlated with my cognitive functioning. Quite the opposite.

I'm in a similar situation but with multiple sclerosis for over 15 years. I love to exercise, however on some days a medium-intensity cardio session will leave my brain functioning at like 50% which is not great for my job. I gotta work hard to make sure my gas tank has enough for all the tasks planned for that day. My neurologist calls it Energy Management.

Tried creatine?
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