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We accidentally solved robotics by watching 1M hours of YouTube

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Re: We accidentally solved robotics by watching 1M hours of YouTube

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post #52

I just wrote a reply to a comment talking about the AI tells this writing has, but it got flagged so my comment disappeared when I hit post. I'll rephrase out of spite: My first thought upon reading this was that an LLM had been instructed to add a pithy meme joke to each paragraph. They don't make sense in context, and while some terminally online people do speak in memes, those people aren't quoting doge in 2025. T…

Yeah, obviously LLM written. They tried to be unique by removing capitals.

Re: We accidentally solved robotics by watching 1M hours of YouTube

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i thought all the cool data driven robotics stuff was like reinforcement learning from sensors that track moving effectors in the real world with online retraining that mimics the sensorimotor experimentation that is observed during the developmental phases of real neurobiological systems?

so you just kinda let it run for a while and it bumps and squirms around until it stands up or whatever.

seems also the future for real ai?

Re: We accidentally solved robotics by watching 1M hours of YouTube

#93
post #52

I just wrote a reply to a comment talking about the AI tells this writing has, but it got flagged so my comment disappeared when I hit post. I'll rephrase out of spite: My first thought upon reading this was that an LLM had been instructed to add a pithy meme joke to each paragraph. They don't make sense in context, and while some terminally online people do speak in memes, those people aren't quoting doge in 2025. T…

> some terminally online people do speak in memes, those people aren't quoting doge in 2025. You may be surprised to find out how incorrect this. I can think of two popular conservative sites likely to quote Doge people off hand that do this. I read all news in order not be an insufferable ideologue. So again, off the top of my head, NotTheBee (I think affiliated to BabylonBee (conservative The Onion)) and Twitchy. A…

Not conservative but I used to love the meme before it was co-opted by musk, so I will occasionally use it as a "haha now you feel OLD" without thinking of its modern connotations.

Re: We accidentally solved robotics by watching 1M hours of YouTube

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post #82

Solving robotics is some claim.

Spoiler: not solved

Indeed, the robotics edge-case problem space complexity balloons far faster than most assume.

Physics informed training is a real methodology (simple introduction to the subject: https://www.youtube.com/@Eigensteve/videos ).

However, the slop article is 80% nonsense. =3

Re: We accidentally solved robotics by watching 1M hours of YouTube

#95
post #78

Pure vision will never be enough because it does not contain information about the physical feedback like pressure and touch, or the strength required to perform a task. For example, so that you don't crush a human when doing massage (but still need to press hard), or apply the right amount of force (and finesse?) to skin a fish fillet without cutting the skin itself. Practically in the near term, it's hard to sample…

On humans, you can generally see the force they apply by looking at strain.

Re: We accidentally solved robotics by watching 1M hours of YouTube

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, the author of the blog "Ksagar Atharva" doesn't appear anywhere in the list of authors on the linked FB research paper with Yann LeCun as a co-author. Unless the blog author is using a heavily modified pseudonym. The research is very real but the blog post appears to be very fake.

It's someone explaining the research as a blog essay right? Which is very commonly done. We=humanity

Exactly. It's very obvious what "we" is referring to here.

Re: We accidentally solved robotics by watching 1M hours of YouTube

#97
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> some terminally online people do speak in memes, those people aren't quoting doge in 2025. You may be surprised to find out how incorrect this. I can think of two popular conservative sites likely to quote Doge people off hand that do this. I read all news in order not be an insufferable ideologue. So again, off the top of my head, NotTheBee (I think affiliated to BabylonBee (conservative The Onion)) and Twitchy. A…

Not conservative but I used to love the meme before it was co-opted by musk, so I will occasionally use it as a "haha now you feel OLD" without thinking of its modern connotations.

Also I think it’s somehow important to not let fascism steal our cultural heritage, even if it’s just a meme.

In my country, far righters are displaying the country’s flag everywhere. Now you can’t display a French flag without being thought as a far right person. That’s honestly insufferable.

I know it’s less important with doge but still : before being a crypto it was just a picture of an overly innocent and enthusiastic dog. And even when it became a little crypto, it was totally assumed that it was a meme coin and wasn’t meant for speculation, the idea was that 1DOGE = 1DOGE only and people gifted them to other people who made nice contributions on the internet.

Musk broke all of this when it started to use it to do gigantic pumps and dumps using his own visibility on Twitter.

We don’t have to let fascism steal all the popular symbols / memes, because they will steal them anyway.

Re: We accidentally solved robotics by watching 1M hours of YouTube

#99
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> some terminally online people do speak in memes, those people aren't quoting doge in 2025. You may be surprised to find out how incorrect this. I can think of two popular conservative sites likely to quote Doge people off hand that do this. I read all news in order not be an insufferable ideologue. So again, off the top of my head, NotTheBee (I think affiliated to BabylonBee (conservative The Onion)) and Twitchy. A…

Aren't those sites primarily Russian bots tho?

Isn’t that just a synonym for conservative?

Re: We accidentally solved robotics by watching 1M hours of YouTube

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post #88
post #78

Pure vision will never be enough because it does not contain information about the physical feedback like pressure and touch, or the strength required to perform a task. For example, so that you don't crush a human when doing massage (but still need to press hard), or apply the right amount of force (and finesse?) to skin a fish fillet without cutting the skin itself. Practically in the near term, it's hard to sample…

If the robot already knows "how to" the happy path, the training difficulty falls severely at least if it can continue after a recovery.

The tasks you do to recover from the failure is often different from the happy path. For example, the happy path of dumping garbage is carrying a garbage bag to a collection bin. The non-happy path is that the bin is overflowing and you have to put the bag on the ground, or if the bag leaks and you need to move to a new bag, or if the bag breaks entirely and you have to pick up the trash again.

But yeah, I think a better way to put it is that sampling the happy path would indeed make the failure case easier, but sampling just happy paths is far from sufficient from completing even some of the simplest human tasks with failure.

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