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Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by pooriaazimi »

esolyt wrote: post #60
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #49

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What is a power user of a mobile phone, and what makes a 3.5" screen unacceptable? edit: Ah, I see. Reading a lot. I actually read all of Guns, Germs, and Steel on my iPhone 4S earlier this year, and probably do an hour or two of reading on it a day in total. It's not necessarily an ideal experience, but it certainly isn't terrible. I'm looking forward to the rumored 4" screen on the upcoming The New iPhone, but I th…

A power user is a user who regularly browses the web. Browsing the web on a 4.65-inch 1280x720 screen is significantly better than browsing the web on a 3.5-inch 960x640 screen. Reply to your edit: The fact that Android phones have low pixel density is absolutely wrong. That used to be the case. But now they have both larger screens and more pixels. Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S3, HTC One X, Xperia S all have 1280x720 scree…

That's not a power user.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by alberich »

rlt3 wrote: post #79
alberich wrote: post #70

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I always wonder if this is what they call the reality distortion effect. You get what you pay for? Long time ago I had an ibook g4. Supposedly it was very nice back then, and very pricey too. However, after playing with it sometime, it just looked cute. Overpriced and cute. Apple products are a jail that looks very nice, but its a jail anyway. Now I have an IPad (don't remember the generation) because my job. It is s…

Do use a computer that is free (as in freedom) all the way down to the BIOS?

No. But considering that I paid almost nothing for it makes a big difference. It's not like paying U$ 1k and being locked in.

with my Ibook I couldn't install other OS on working conditions because Apple wouldn't just open the specs, so there wasn't really other OSs to install. It is also not really an option to install other OSs on the IPad. And it costs a lot of money, that makes a big diference. You pay to be locked in to Apple.

Then when Samsung comes around and offers almost the same features, people start to worry that their overly priced stuff will not be so special anymore, and act like Samsung's products are just a poorly made ripoff.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by icebraining »

dthunt wrote: post #63
nnnnnnnn wrote: post #51

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That's not something noticeable during basic desktop use. I've used VMWare Fusion a fair amount and I was very impressed. I imagine someone non-technical would not be able to tell the difference.

This in reply to the 'essentially piracy' comment below, which for some reason I cannot reply to (too much nesting?) What's next? Am I stealing music if I put it in a CD player and it makes a 25ms buffer copy while I'm playing? Fair Use is an important principle. We can't structure our laws to work against Fair Use, or dig ourselves into the absolutely braindead position that exercising your fair use rights of softwa…

Regarding your first line, the link only appears after a delay, that increases based on how nested the thread already is. It's a feature that is supposed to prevent flamewars by forcing people to "cool off" before replying.

In practice it seems to lead to this, which is worse since it breaks the flow without solving the issue.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by alberich »

epistasis wrote: post #88
pooriaazimi wrote: post #80

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Come on... You know what he's going to say. What's the point of asking? It just wastes yours and his/hers time.

I honestly don't know what he's going to say, or how he thought it was a jail, and would like to know.

I just couldn't install any other usable operating system on the hardware other then Apple's OS. The specifications were closed, you couldn't get much anything useful installed on it because it depended on proprietary software that, of course, only worked on OS X.

edit: besides, things don't look much better nowdays, eh?

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by pooriaazimi »

epistasis wrote: post #88
pooriaazimi wrote: post #80

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Come on... You know what he's going to say. What's the point of asking? It just wastes yours and his/hers time.

I honestly don't know what he's going to say, or how he thought it was a jail, and would like to know.

Here's a list of keywords. Just feed them to a generic Markov random sentence generator and you'll get your response: Gatekeeper, walled-garden App Store, iOSification, hardware obsolescence in 4-5 years, closed-source, GPL, soldered RAM and SSD and battery, overpriced, eye-candy, skeuomorphism, big brother, reality-distortion-field.

I don't want to be a jerk or offend "alberich", but I strongly disagree with him.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by shinratdr »

css771 wrote: post #83
shinratdr wrote: post #59

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> Try comparing them with software freedom in mind and tell me how again the devices running android lose vs apple devices. OK. Every app worth getting for an Android device, I can get via the iOS App Store. Everything that requires a rooted or unlocked Android device, I can get via jailbreaking. I'm not an OS developer so I'm not going to be contributing patches back to AOSP. The vast majority of Android devices are…

Except that the vast majority of Android devices are not bootloader locked (Almost all samsung phones are sold unlocked, HTC provides an after-market unlock tool for most phones, Motorola recently started doing so). Besides, even if an Android phone is bootloader locked, you can actually do more on it than on an iphone. And also, you dont have to contribute patches back to aosp to appreciate software freedom. How abo…

> Except that the vast majority of Android devices are not bootloader locked (Almost all samsung phones are sold unlocked, HTC provides an after-market unlock tool for most phones, Motorola recently started doing so).

You named three companies, all listed only started doing it recently and only with high profile devices. The vast, VAST majority of Android devices are bootloader locked, because there are so many of them. Most of them aren't the high end Android phones that get all the attention.

> Besides, even if an Android phone is bootloader locked, you can actually do more on it than on an iphone.

Depending on the device you can enable installation of non-market APKs. Non-market APKs worth installing almost always require a root unless you're just pirating applications. That's about it.

> How about building and running your own kernel on your phone. Is that something you would be interested in? Most Android phones can do that.

I would personally throw that in the category of having an interest in OS development. Less of a niche than those who can contribute back to AOSP, still quite a small group. Also, not "most". Just those select high end devices with unlocked boot loaders.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by alberich »

pooriaazimi wrote: post #95
epistasis wrote: post #88

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I honestly don't know what he's going to say, or how he thought it was a jail, and would like to know.

Here's a list of keywords. Just feed them to a generic Markov random sentence generator and you'll get your response: Gatekeeper, walled-garden App Store, iOSification, hardware obsolescence in 4-5 years, closed-source, GPL, soldered RAM and SSD and battery, overpriced, eye-candy, skeuomorphism, big brother, reality-distortion-field. I don't want to be a jerk or offend "alberich", but I strongly disagree with him.

That's ok, I believe we can agree to disagree :)

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by gurkendoktor »

edanm wrote: post #69

So a while ago, I had this thought: "It's pretty obvious that the casual user will buy iPhones and not Galaxies. After all, Apple works very hard to make iPhones perfect for the casual user, and all of the goodiness that comes from having a more open phone is meaningless for the casual user". A little later, as more and more people I knew gravitated towards the Galaxies, I realized the flaw in this thinking - the ave…

Just anecdotal (in the same way as the OP), but I ran into plenty of young, non-tech people who are aware of the difference and still choose Android. For them, Android is the OS with slightly worse apps but you can get them all for free, without ever using a credit card. E.g. WhatsApp couldn't afford to be paid-only on Android because it just wouldn't work with the audience.

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by pooriaazimi »

alberich wrote: post #94
epistasis wrote: post #88

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I honestly don't know what he's going to say, or how he thought it was a jail, and would like to know.

I just couldn't install any other usable operating system on the hardware other then Apple's OS. The specifications were closed, you couldn't get much anything useful installed on it because it depended on proprietary software that, of course, only worked on OS X. edit: besides, things don't look much better nowdays, eh?

> you couldn't get much anything useful installed on it

I have node, redis, mysql, couchdb, mongodb, autoconf/automake/cmake, ffmpeg, erlang, git, hg, gnuplot, groovy, memchaced, lua, lynx, lib* (a million of them), nmap, rabbitmq, phantomjs, postgresql, siege, httpd, squid, spidermonkey, coffee-script, mit-scheme,pcre, lkgconfig, mosh, HTTPie, python, ruby, cairo, pango, x11 installed on my OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion (among other tools that I've forgot or don't use regularly). And I'm not even a "pro" user - just a regular developer.

But your requirements clearly differs from mine. Because you don't find them "useful". It's okay, not all of us use the same tools. But I'm sure the majority of developers use the aforementioned tools, and care less about kernel programming or other things that can't be done on a MacBook as efficiently as on ThinkPads (although Torvalds uses an Air).

Re: I can't make this stuff up

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Post by Zirro »

alberich wrote: post #94
epistasis wrote: post #88

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I honestly don't know what he's going to say, or how he thought it was a jail, and would like to know.

I just couldn't install any other usable operating system on the hardware other then Apple's OS. The specifications were closed, you couldn't get much anything useful installed on it because it depended on proprietary software that, of course, only worked on OS X. edit: besides, things don't look much better nowdays, eh?

"besides, things don't look much better nowdays, eh?"

Sure they do. I can run both Linux and Windows without virtualization, and Apple even supports the latter officially through the Boot Camp-application.

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