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Neil Armstrong has died at 82 Today

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Re: Neil Armstrong has died at 82 Today

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If that were true, then why do poor people have a disproportional high chance of having their children grow up poor?

Because the vast majority do not have that drive, and simply fall into the same pattern as their parents.

My original point was that upbringing is important to accomplishments.

In response to your point, I think that the problem is much more one of opportunity than drive. For example, I went to a private high school that costs slightly more that the poverty line for a family of 4 (as did my 2 siblings). My mom was able to leave her job, and stay home with me, where she taught me the fun parts of math (knowledge which made school math classes bearable). Later, when I was in high school, my mom started volunteering, where she met the wife of a fairly well known computer science professor at a local university. She arranged with him for me to get a summer internship there, after which point I had a brief phone interview, where I answered almost nothing about my abilities. A few days later, I got an e-mail saying that the robotics lab (where I would have prefered working) couldn't take me, so I had to settle to work in his lab, at 10$/hour - after I offered several times to work for free. While at his lab, I did a reasonable amount of work, but nothing that impressive. One of the things I did was help one of the graduate students with their research project, which involved a web crawler to collect data, and a machine learning algorithm to analyze it. I did some incremental improvents to the crawler, but nothing that impressive. I also wrote the machine learning "algorithm" which was a 250 line program that took data from an sql database, and fed it into a machine learning library, then printed out the results. For all of my being driven, I ended up being a co-author on a published research paper before I even applied to colleges.

Of course, I am just one person, so we cannot generalize from my example to say that it is the parents that do the work. What we can say is that the children of poor parents are disproportional likely to end up poor. This means that you can, with a high degree of accuracy, predict a childs future success before they are born. If this is the case, they we cannot blame the child for his failures, because we knew that he incredibly likely to fail before he even had a chance to influence his own life. This leads us to the conclusion that there is something going on outside of the control of the poor that is making it difficult for them to improve their lot in life. Looking at it this way, we might notice that the rich tend to spend large sums of money sending children to schools that the poor cannot afford. The rich tend to be more available to their young children, either by leaving their job, or only having 1 job. The rich know other succesfull people, who are an automatic network to get their children jobs and such.

In fact, looking back on my own life, and the lives of many of my rich classmates, It seems like we also tend to fall into the same patterns as our parents; those patterns just happen to be successful. This is almost the definition of a rigid class system, and it is something we should be working on moving away from. In an ideal world, even if you knew everything about the parents of two different children, you should have no way of guessing (with better accuracy than a coin toss) which of the children will be more successful.

Re: Neil Armstrong has died at 82 Today

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Excellent 4-part interview series with him, quite recent too: http://thebottomline.cpaaustralia.com.au/

Thank you. That was an excellent interview.

It is rather sad, that one of the latest and more detailed interviews filled with personal insights, thoughts and comments came from an Australian CPA organization. I know why the connection is there, the disappointment is in the news organizations here locally. NBC even screwed the name as Neil Young when they announced the death.

How his death is handled, as a society, shows how we treasure what he stands for and what the priorities are.

He made a good comment in the last part how probably the best thing NASA did was inspire young people to do the best they can do, to dream of becoming engineers and scientists. What is there today to inspire that? Writing video games? Is flying larger probes with bigger cameras to Mars?

One can argue we need a good global threat so we have a competitor. Maybe that's true. If we don't have one, we surely invented some. Goat herders in Pakistan or cocoa growers in Colombia. Maybe our children will be inspired by building stealthier drones to more efficiently eradicate goat herders in a country half way across the world.

Re: Neil Armstrong has died at 82 Today

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I remember watching a documentary which quite rarely featured Neil Armstrong (and Buzz and Collins) discussing the actual trip to the moon. They related a story where they instructed the computer to begin reverse thrusters to slow their approach to the moon. The computer came back with a code which Collins duly looked up in the manual 3E - Are you sure? Twas ever thus. It stuck in my mind, as humanising people who ot…

Can't find a reference to the story you are mentioning, could you share a link that explains it in more details?

Sorry no - just a TV doc - it was perhaps called the real right stuff. It had interviews with I think every living Apollo astronaut, and was made for the 2009 anniversary.

It might have been http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_We_Left_Earth:_The_NASA_Mi...

(I certainly remember Charlie Duke talking a lot !)

Re: Neil Armstrong has died at 82 Today

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post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the vast majority do not have that drive, and simply fall into the same pattern as their parents.

My original point was that upbringing is important to accomplishments. In response to your point, I think that the problem is much more one of opportunity than drive. For example, I went to a private high school that costs slightly more that the poverty line for a family of 4 (as did my 2 siblings). My mom was able to leave her job, and stay home with me, where she taught me the fun parts of math (knowledge which mad…

Unless you are going to be taking children away from their parents and raising them in creches, the success of children will always be determined by their parents. And that's a good thing.

There is nothing wrong with a class system if it still allows for mobility of exceptional individuals, and ours does.

Re: Neil Armstrong has died at 82 Today

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>>I'm 21 myself and by what I see around me in my friends and people close my age is that we've become too accustomed to seeing instead of doing Speak for yourself.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4433358 Does it look like I'm speaking for the whole population? I've clearly stated "me" and "my friends and [some] people close my age". Sincere congratulations if you've managed to become the next Alan Turing but next time leave the snarky comments for yourself buddy. Thanks!

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Re: Neil Armstrong has died at 82 Today

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I remember watching a documentary which quite rarely featured Neil Armstrong (and Buzz and Collins) discussing the actual trip to the moon. They related a story where they instructed the computer to begin reverse thrusters to slow their approach to the moon. The computer came back with a code which Collins duly looked up in the manual 3E - Are you sure? Twas ever thus. It stuck in my mind, as humanising people who ot…

As far as I know, the Apollo guidance computer's DSKY (user interface panel) [1] could only display numbers, not letters. In situations where the computer required confirmation from the crew it would flash 99 in the program display element and wait for the PRO (proceed) key to be pressed.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer#DSKY_i...

Re: Neil Armstrong has died at 82 Today

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't find a reference to the story you are mentioning, could you share a link that explains it in more details?

Sorry no - just a TV doc - it was perhaps called the real right stuff. It had interviews with I think every living Apollo astronaut, and was made for the 2009 anniversary. It might have been http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_We_Left_Earth:_The_NASA_Mi... (I certainly remember Charlie Duke talking a lot !)

Perhaps "In the Shadow of the Moon"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Shadow_of_the_Moon

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