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Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by mindslight »

jzebedee wrote: post #89
mindslight wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Right now you're making the same complaints about immigration process that hardcore libertarians made decades ago about traffic court and code enforcement and were brushed off for various reasons. They're keeping their mouths shut so as to not interfere with the learning process. Can you point me to some examples of people a decade ago running afoul of traffic or code enforcement, and being sent to an extrajudicial…

Out of the hundreds initially deported to El Salvador, "only 32 of the deportees had been convicted of U.S. crimes and that most were nonviolent offenses, such as retail theft or traffic violations." [1] [1] https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-el-salvador-deporte...

I think you misread my sentence out of the context of the overall argument? I edited it to add "a decade ago" to be clearer.

If I'm correctly interpreting what you said - yes, I agree that presently some people end up running afoul of traffic enforcement, which causes them to run afoul of immigration, which causes them to end up in the concentration camp.

But the larger argument is contrasting the longer-existing authoritarian/autocratic dynamics of code/traffic enforcers versus the more recent development of autocratic immigration enforcers.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by jzebedee »

mindslight wrote: post #91
jzebedee wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of the hundreds initially deported to El Salvador, "only 32 of the deportees had been convicted of U.S. crimes and that most were nonviolent offenses, such as retail theft or traffic violations." [1] [1] https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-el-salvador-deporte...

I think you misread my sentence out of the context of the overall argument? I edited it to add "a decade ago" to be clearer. If I'm correctly interpreting what you said - yes, I agree that presently some people end up running afoul of traffic enforcement, which causes them to run afoul of immigration, which causes them to end up in the concentration camp. But the larger argument is contrasting the longer-existing aut…

Thanks, I read it as saying that people weren't being deported to concentration camps over minor crimes or traffic offenses. I'm certainly not disagreeing with you about our descent into fascism.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by scienceman »

moduspol wrote: post #85
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we're meant to be upset that they dared treat another agent of the state, I'm upset because a US citizen was arrested for asking a reasonable question to some government officials before complying with the government officials.

[flagged]

I am not seeing the "assaulting law enforcement" in this video -- am I missing something?

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by scienceman »

anthony_d wrote: post #82
jzebedee wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Editorializing what, exactly? The rule of law? "what they were doing" is attempting to illegally abduct someone. The comptroller's "impeding" was a demand to see the one thing that would make their request a legal arrest. Instead, they arrested the comptroller without even a pretense of the law.

ICE agents are not generally required to present warrants. The agent has all sorts of conditions where they get to say no. If you think you’re above the law and can tell them what to do then you’re going to be arrested.

Agents who are masked and don't have any obligations to present warrants before abducting someone... really are we saying this is reasonable?

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by sillyfluke »

haunter wrote: post #75
28304283409234 wrote: post #60

I do not understand why this is flagged.

Because it's HN not /r/politics A lot of us doesn't come here to read about US internal politics

>Because it's HN not /r/politics

Poltical stories that show "evidence of some interesting new phenomenon" are not against the guidelines. A few years back someone said nearly half the YC batch was non-US. I think stories about city comptrollers and mayoral candidates getting arrested at immigration court would have some bearing on whether someone would want to base a company in the US.

A user who has enough karma to flag stories has flagged it for whatever reason, maybe they think the story is flamebait or without merit, who knows. It is not possible for a user with equal or higher karma to unflag it I believe. Only a moderator can unflag it, and if you want them to do that you have to email them (address in guidelines, no guarentee of success).

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by atmavatar »

incomingpain wrote: post #63
stingrae wrote: post #22

It is insane that federal agents are allowed to roam around in masks, without ID and just arrest people.

They arent. They need probable cause to arrest just like any other law enforcement. If they just arrest you because you're annoying or fake charges. You can sue them for deprivation of rights.

Of course, all that assumes the detainee is given due process.

If they're just going to kidnap people and take them away to El Salvadorian prisons, things like probable cause, miranda rights, and evidence are moot.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by lazide »

scienceman wrote: post #94
anthony_d wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICE agents are not generally required to present warrants. The agent has all sorts of conditions where they get to say no. If you think you’re above the law and can tell them what to do then you’re going to be arrested.

Agents who are masked and don't have any obligations to present warrants before abducting someone... really are we saying this is reasonable?

Police in general don’t need to show warrants to arrest people. In high profile situations it may be done to minimize political blowback, but clearly that is not a primary concern in this situation (except toward individual officers, which is why they are masking).

In many situations, they just need a documentable/articulable (to a judge, later) reasonable belief that a crime was occurring in their presence, or in other situations that a specific crime had occurred and there was a reasonable belief that person had committed that crime.

Resisting arrest, and impeding official business of a police officer are usually arrest-able offenses almost anywhere.

Details vary by jurisdiction and crime, but ‘you need a warrant to arrest someone’ is an edge case, not the common case. In those cases, it’s also often an indictment or bench warrant.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by detourdog »

foogazi wrote: post #97
scienceman wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not seeing the "assaulting law enforcement" in this video -- am I missing something?

What’s with the bootlickers in these posts ?

The USA is 34% bootlickers.
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