Tesla Robotaxi launch is a dangerous game of smoke and mirrors

Post by sundaeofshock » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 7:07 PM UTC

danans wrote: post #50

blindriver wrote: post #4

I have over $100k in Tesla puts. There is no way Tesla survives this. They have plummeting sales every quarter, and Elon is pushing out a product that is going to get into an accident within the first week. Robotaxis are glorified Ubers and will never level up to Waymos. FSD is useless if you have to keep your eye on the wheel and road. I have a Tesla Model Y. It's my favorite car I've ever driven. I subscribed to FS…

> But Elon has killed his brand with his politics, and the robotaxi initiative is a desperate attempt to gain ground. But it's going to kill someone and it will be 100% on him because he's the one pushing this when there's no way it will ever be ready for real world situations the way Waymo is. What if his political allies allow and enable him to push this upon the populace despite it killing people. After all, other…

Post by honeybadger1 » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 7:08 PM UTC

Post by Spooky23 » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 7:09 PM UTC

jeffbee wrote: post #74

electrondood wrote: post #55

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Waymo has been "scaling" down the Peninsula from SF for about 18 months now, and it's still not generally available. Tesla can scale by simply adding vehicles.

And I can scale my poop by pooping again. The question is whether Tesla has a thing worth scaling, and the answer to that question is "no".

Post by sundaeofshock » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 7:10 PM UTC

coliveira wrote: post #29

blindriver wrote: post #4

I have over $100k in Tesla puts. There is no way Tesla survives this. They have plummeting sales every quarter, and Elon is pushing out a product that is going to get into an accident within the first week. Robotaxis are glorified Ubers and will never level up to Waymos. FSD is useless if you have to keep your eye on the wheel and road. I have a Tesla Model Y. It's my favorite car I've ever driven. I subscribed to FS…

There will be incidents and Tesla will just put the blame on drivers, and if you're buying one it most certainly has a clause that you cannot blame Tesla for the problems that the system will cause.

Post by misiti3780 » Tue, Jun 17, 2025, 7:11 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #64

ilikeatari wrote: post #22

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I also use FSD HW4 daily, and it really just works well in regular conditions. It's unbelievable how we have a level of autonomy here and now, and not too many people know about it. Out of about 6k miles in the last 7 months, I probably drove 80 or so. I did not have many issues in the rain, but I do have issues in the snow. It's still somewhat unaware of how to drive well in snow. I usually disengage when it's snowy…

> unbelievable how we have a level of autonomy here and now, and not too many people know about it Would note that most premium cars sold in America currently have advanced self-driving capabilities. I've personally been more impressed by Mercedes' kit than Tesla's, mostly because the former seems to have done a great job of defining where you can almost trust the system to just work.