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Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by numpad0 »

theoreticalmal wrote: post #84
akimbostrawman wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that might be the case for individuals but not corporations and organizations that also have the most hardware. i know from personal experience that windows 11 hardware requirements e-wasted tens of thousands of mostly perfectly fine computer and that is just a single medium sized organization. counting that up to even just one country is an enormous amount of waste. not to mention all the wasted money better spend e…

Why didn’t the companies do the workaround for the hardware requirements?

Because they don't make money working around arbitrary limitations. It might save a bit, but don't make a lot.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by 1231231231e »

smarx007 wrote: post #19
v9v wrote: post #2

Why do people keep bringing up this e-waste argument and act like they have to throw their Windows 10 computers into the garbage? It's not like the operating system stops working the second official support ends.

Sure, there is nothing wrong with that if you either: 1. Disconnect that computer from the internet. 2. Are happy to have your computer infected and join a botnet.

Can someone who has knowledge about this explain how a PC with "unsupported OS" will actually get attacked just by web browsing and being connected to the internet? Your PC will always be behind NAT, it'll never have a public IP, therefore someone port scanning it can be ruled out unless it's maybe some infected device on the local network? It's normal in modern web browsers that you can just break out of the javascript sandbox and get OS level access by running an OS that hasn't been updated for a few years? If you're running an exe that exploits some known userspace security issue of older OS versions how likely is it that this exe doesn't have any other malicious code that'd cause issues even on an up to date OS?

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#93

Post by Lammy »

hnuser123456 wrote: post #75
Lammy wrote: post #31

I've already been living this life for half a decade, since my PC's motherboard only supports up to Windows 10 v1909 for some reason. No idea why or what component could be the cause, but the later updates indeed fail to install and automatically roll back to v1909 when I try. They eventually updated the product page to mention it: https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X10SAE (at the very bottom) > Note:…

The motherboard/C226 chipset is from 2013. You have memory integrity enabled and the old intel GPU drivers are not compatible with memory integrity in v2004+.

> the old intel GPU drivers

I'm using a Xeon E3-1270 v3 which doesn't have integrated graphics. I'm pretty sure I don't even have the Intel iGPU drivers installed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Xeon_processors_...

Maybe just having the physical VGA port is enough to run afoul of it even though it's inoperable? Either way I'm fine with it v(._. )v

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#94

Post by frollogaston »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #86
frollogaston wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's for tens of thousands of employees, who presumably don't have other jobs. And how long ago were those PCs produced?

yes but all those people also have devices at home. most of it around 5 years but that is hardly how long the hardware actually is usable especially if you use anything other than the bloated behemoth that windows has become. reminder that you can get a 10 year old pc with an SSD and any linux disto that will perform as good or even better for most basic office work than modern windows 11 on modern hardware....

Like I said, the devices at home are tiny. Sum up everything if you want, home + work + idk a second job, it's very little.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#95

Post by qwertox »

The greatest moment for my underpowered Windows Vista homeserver was when Vista went EOL and I never had to reboot it again to install the updates, which was always a very scary task.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#96

Post by msgodel »

riobard wrote: post #61

HELLO Linux Desktops, this is your chance to shine and glow. Stop the stupid infighting on unimportant issues and unite to offer something that is a no-brainer choice for Windows 10 refugees.

Why is this a problem exactly? Pick the OS who's leadership/choices you like and run it. No one has to agree on most of the low level stuff as that's abstracted away or even part of the kernel where there's few changes between distros.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#97

Post by numpad0 »

dale_huevo wrote: post #39
vondur wrote: post #25

This is a huge e-waste issue. I work as a Sysadmin in a large public university, and I've been spending the last year or so removing and replacing large amounts of computers that can no longer run a supported version of Windows. I just recently sent around 50 computers to a company that supposedly donates/resales them, but I'm going to guess most will end up as E-waste prematurely. Yes, we can purchase an extended su…

Why is this e-waste when compared to old Mac laptops - many of which are in perfect working order, save Apple arbitrarily stopping OS updates because they were too lazy to maintain or update device drivers. Somehow MS requiring TPM2 for Windows 11 was the end of humanity as we know it, but a Mac with a T2 chip is heralded as progress. If anything many of these PCs will enjoy a second life off eBay in someone's home-l…

I guess the market share, especially for use cases that extends beyond displays, is significantly smaller for Macs than for PCs. So Macs can demand whatever and it will be materially less significant.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by akimbostrawman »

frollogaston wrote: post #94
akimbostrawman wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes but all those people also have devices at home. most of it around 5 years but that is hardly how long the hardware actually is usable especially if you use anything other than the bloated behemoth that windows has become. reminder that you can get a 10 year old pc with an SSD and any linux disto that will perform as good or even better for most basic office work than modern windows 11 on modern hardware....

Like I said, the devices at home are tiny. Sum up everything if you want, home + work + idk a second job, it's very little.

if you think a single medium sized organization killing 5 digit amount of perfectly usable hardware (these are average sized ~3kg desktop pcs) simply because of software is very little there is no argument that could convince you. try counting that up in your head only for your city (the whole world runs windows!) to decide if that is still "very little".

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by avhon1 »

caycep wrote: post #20

someone needs to push Debian desktop or one of the derivatives...maybe a publicity blitz by PopOS or something we replaced most of the machines in our office. There are 2 our finance person didn't want to replace, so we used the install check bypass for Win11, those employees don't really do much on those computers anyway...

KDE is running a campaign. https://kde.org/for/w10-exiles/

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by nine_k »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #69
frollogaston wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still not convinced that phone and laptop ewaste is a real problem. They're tiny. I've never actually thrown one away, they're just sitting around, taking less combined space than a nightstand drawer.

that might be the case for individuals but not corporations and organizations that also have the most hardware. i know from personal experience that windows 11 hardware requirements e-wasted tens of thousands of mostly perfectly fine computer and that is just a single medium sized organization. counting that up to even just one country is an enormous amount of waste. not to mention all the wasted money better spend e…

This is another reason to run Linux instead of Windows. (Sadly, much easier said than done in large orgs.)

These perfectly good machines will likely be sold off eBay or similar, and / or go in bulk to poorer countries somewhere in Asia, where they are going to replace yet more ancient machines.

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