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Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by brettermeier »

UncleEntity wrote: post #31
chatmasta wrote: post #6

How does the compensation work? The US prison system has a bit of a nasty reputation when it comes to exploiting prison labor, so I hope those practices aren’t carrying over into these more forward-looking types of initiative… but at the same time, surely Turso isn’t paying full SWE salary?

/me putting on my Law & Order hat Why should the taxpayers be burdened by the results of his bad decisions? /me takes off hat

Because that's what a social community would do. But where you probably are, such an approach is falsely labeled as “communism” by MAGA anti-social assholes.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by segmondy »

bjorkandkd wrote: post #17

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The jealousy must be strong, does it really hurt that much that someone in the prison system reformed their life and is probably doing better than you for you to create a new account and try to drag them down? I don't know what hurt you are going through, but you can definitely do better if you are willing to be more positive in life.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by busterarm »

eru wrote: post #71
qualeed wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Innocent until proven guilty doesn't extend to internet comments. That's not a good thing. Edit: I cannot really believe that this, of all comments, is controversial. Living life treating everyone as guilty until they prove themselves innocent is... just shitty, let alone exhausting. Do people forget about how many times reddit and other ruined innocent people's lives? Sometimes HN amazes me with new technology, in…

Why? Different fora have different standards of proof. For example, in civil cases (even in America) the standard of proof is 'preponderance of evidence', not 'innocent until proven guilty'. Why should internet comments follow criminal law, and not eg civil law, or some other standard?

Because the report only contains statements of fact related to the police report and the police interaction.

There's no actual confirmation in that report that her arm was actually broken or that she was actually beaten. There's no medical examination that happened here that is cited.

That would still be required in a civil trial with preponderance of evidence. What if she was on drugs and did it to herself? (Not saying that's what happened). We don't know what happened from this document and that has nothing to do with this charge or his appeal.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by rawgabbit »

b0a04gl wrote: post #50

what if prison ends up becoming the most distraction-free dev environment. no meetings, no slack pings, no linkedin recruiters, just you, a terminal, and 10 years of uninterrupted focus. kinda terrifying how productive that sounds

Don’t give our overlords any ideas. Open plan offices are bad enough.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by financypants »

b0a04gl wrote: post #50

what if prison ends up becoming the most distraction-free dev environment. no meetings, no slack pings, no linkedin recruiters, just you, a terminal, and 10 years of uninterrupted focus. kinda terrifying how productive that sounds

Something like prison probably is the most productive environment one could be in. It almost completely eliminates the need for self discipline because it's all enforced.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by burkaman »

qualeed wrote: post #88
eru wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Different fora have different standards of proof. For example, in civil cases (even in America) the standard of proof is 'preponderance of evidence', not 'innocent until proven guilty'. Why should internet comments follow criminal law, and not eg civil law, or some other standard?

The options are you assume people are innocent unless proven guilty, or guilty unless proven innocent. Going through life treating everyone as guilty until proven innocent sounds like an exhausting and negative way to treat everyone, and harms more people overall.

Those are not the only options, those are the two extremes of a spectrum. Most people fall in the middle with something like "assume people are innocent unless you see convincing evidence of guilt". This is a reasonable philosophy unless you have power over someone, in which case proof is much more important.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by fakedang »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #63
bjorkandkd wrote: post #17

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In my experience "drug-related" can definitely include serious violent crimes (some that can result in execution, or life without parole). Through my extracurricular work, I personally know a lot of drug offenders, and breaking their spouse's arm easily fits. I also know women that have drained their husband's retirement, people that have snorted their kids' college funds, mothers that have pimped their kids, and oth…

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Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by camjw »

qualeed wrote: post #46
abxyz wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...in America he's innocent until proven guilty... ...in a court of law. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't extend to internet comments.

> Innocent until proven guilty doesn't extend to internet comments. That's not a good thing. Edit: I cannot really believe that this, of all comments, is controversial. Living life treating everyone as guilty until they prove themselves innocent is... just shitty, let alone exhausting. Do people forget about how many times reddit and other ruined innocent people's lives? Sometimes HN amazes me with new technology, in…

The point is that people should be able to use their own judgement on a wide variety of issues and not be forced to delegate their decision making power to the courts/third parties.

There's a difference between "we want to lock this person up and take away their liberty, so we should be basically certain" versus "look man he's been done for drugs and she ended up with a broken arm, I don't trust this person".

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by qualeed »

burkaman wrote: post #96
qualeed wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The options are you assume people are innocent unless proven guilty, or guilty unless proven innocent. Going through life treating everyone as guilty until proven innocent sounds like an exhausting and negative way to treat everyone, and harms more people overall.

Those are not the only options, those are the two extremes of a spectrum. Most people fall in the middle with something like "assume people are innocent unless you see convincing evidence of guilt". This is a reasonable philosophy unless you have power over someone, in which case proof is much more important.

>"assume people are innocent unless you see convincing evidence of guilt".

So... base assumption is innocent.

That's all I was saying.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by qualeed »

camjw wrote: post #98
qualeed wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Innocent until proven guilty doesn't extend to internet comments. That's not a good thing. Edit: I cannot really believe that this, of all comments, is controversial. Living life treating everyone as guilty until they prove themselves innocent is... just shitty, let alone exhausting. Do people forget about how many times reddit and other ruined innocent people's lives? Sometimes HN amazes me with new technology, in…

The point is that people should be able to use their own judgement on a wide variety of issues and not be forced to delegate their decision making power to the courts/third parties. There's a difference between "we want to lock this person up and take away their liberty, so we should be basically certain" versus "look man he's been done for drugs and she ended up with a broken arm, I don't trust this person".

>not be forced to delegate their decision making power to the courts/third parties.

That's not close to what I was saying, and I don't know how people are interpreting it this way.

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