These kind of policies and that amortization tax law for software development will probably encourage quite some exodus of talent. Would it be to Europe or South East Asia, though?
China's pharma/biotech industry is growing rapidly
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Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future
#92Well, yes, that's the point. Authoritarians want to consolidate power and loot wealth, not improve things or make the world a better place.
It is the art of the deal with Trump and I would say that he is a narcissist rather than authoritarian.
Trump has a massive ego and I would have expected him to want the biggest rockets, and to pain them gold.
If he did then I would denounce him for spending money on space when America has trillions of debt.
I don't disagree with him on everything he says just because he said it.
So, with space, my honest take is that it was all just a Cold War thing all along. The space race never was about science and exploration, it was always about rocketry for making more devastating missiles. Sure, Voyager went somewhere, but it was all a cover.
It seems to me that China and India are doing space science things now. They can get on with it. We are never going to Mars or the moon to live, earth is our home, and always will be.
Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future
#93Or until you know… some future President restores the NASA budget?
The budget will shutdown many projects that have been running for decades. Those projects generally can't be restarted.
Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future
#94These kind of policies and that amortization tax law for software development will probably encourage quite some exodus of talent. Would it be to Europe or South East Asia, though?
USA pays engineers like 3x as much as those places. It's still global brain drain destination #1.
What's the lag time on migration statistics?
Because, and I say this as one who already decided against the USA in response to Trump's first election, I rather doubt that the new policy of getting in the news for systematically deporting migrants for even minor things — not even offences, theoretically protected things like blogging — is going to put a rather big dent on people willing to go. I mean, right now, I don't even want to visit the US on a holiday, much less live there.
And that's without all the people saying "sure, you get paid 3x on paper, but all of it goes on rent and health insurance that doesn't actually pay out when you need it" that also makes it seem a lot less interesting.
Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
> reduce military spending…No need to cut research You do know the military spend on research dwarfs any other federal agency, right? The DoD research budget is about 5X that of NASA. This gets to the point early where it’s easy to be in favor of cuts in the abstract but much harder in practice once you see that it touches something you favor.
> You do know the military spend on research The charitable reading of parent's comment is "reduce the spending on the parts of the military that aren't research (or research solely dedicated to killing people)". I'm sure they were thinking more along the lines of bombing various countries (or $40MM birthday parades) rather than the next onion routing protocol coming out of the Naval Research Laboratory. You can stil…
That’s fair. My intent was not snark but to maybe spark some curiosity about what that military spend goes towards. But I think the OP could have framed it a little better to indicate they understood that nuance. Just like the budget cuts for NASA leave a considerable amount of research in place, it’s about priorities. The problem in many of these discussions is a lack of nuance: eg, not understanding the scope of what the DoD does, for example. The DoD spends as much as 15X as NASA on medical research, but the OP doesn’t acknowledge any of that with a overly generalized recommendation to simply cut defense spending. The difference is I’m not as confident as you to claim I know what they were thinking without further information. That’s why I framed it as a question.
Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future
#96Talk: "America first!" Actual policy: "America... whatever..." The scale of anti-science policies is historic in their scale and even breadth of topics.
Tout: America is Great!
Actual Words: None of this stuff is Great.
Sentiment: "I don't understand all this stuff. Just cancel it! We don't need it."
Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not only do they not care, they actually relish destroying anything they consider to be "woke", like science. It's unfortunate, but modern American conservatism is now defined by hating everything that liberals love. This is a pity, because there should be a balance between "progress" and "government restraint" -- and that is no longer possible.
this point of view is so utterly lacking self-critical thought about "extreme social views, we demand you accept it or you are haters" .. its just a thought-blocker and dead-end. Endless polarization.
I've no shortage of self-critical thought, and your quote is perplexing because you seem to have inserted some preconception into your reading of my comment.
The topic is extremely polarizing by design, and is impossible to discuss without heated emotions, and therefore is never properly explored.
I have no political party allegiance (partisan politics is a toxic waste dump); I try to work from "first principles", and am more than happy to adjust my understandings when compelling evidence is presented.
To circle back to the OP: these program cuts are being made in the name of efficiency, but they're curiously only applied to programs that the admin is ideologically opposed to and applied in a manner meant to kill rather than trim. I find it interesting that the Military Industrial Complex -- a paragon of pork, fraud, and waste -- will not only be untouched but given even more money then before.
Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oligarchs first... much like Russia.
That was at first, then Putin started having them murdered. If you think about it, there isn't much of a reason for the individual that is allowed to have all the power to share it with anybody.
The more accurate model for the Russian government is a Mafia family with Putin being the Capo dei capi.
The murders are the visible symptoms of the various factions fighting each other.
Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future
#99Well, yes, that's the point. Authoritarians want to consolidate power and loot wealth, not improve things or make the world a better place.
It is the art of the deal with Trump and I would say that he is a narcissist rather than authoritarian. Trump has a massive ego and I would have expected him to want the biggest rockets, and to pain them gold. If he did then I would denounce him for spending money on space when America has trillions of debt. I don't disagree with him on everything he says just because he said it. So, with space, my honest take is tha…
Narcissism is actually, in a sense, a very small ego, an enormously fragile sense of self that requires constant validation from outside. It looks a lot like an addiction, with withdrawal occurring when the 'fix' is not obtained.
You can see this clearly in certain individuals with obvious narcissistic personality disorder where withdrawal of approval results in an insanely irrational tantrum where they basically revert to toddler-level psychology. If you're like "wait, is this a grown man/woman?" the answer is yes -- but it's one having a "drug" withdrawal fit.
Unfortunately this often makes narcissists very successful at social climbing. They're hyper-motivated to advance because that's how you get the next fix.
Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future
#100Or until you know… some future President restores the NASA budget?
That will be a new NASA institution. The old NASA will be gone.