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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by bix6 »

vasco wrote: post #83
bix6 wrote: post #49

This is terrifying and unconscionable. Hard to believe this is the USA today. I don’t really see this de-escalating given the ongoing rhetoric but I hope I’m wrong.

I'm not american but I remember marines being mobilized for hurricane Katrina in New Orleans too. Funny that if it's so bad to deploy them, why is it OK to deploy them in other countries?

National Guard and Army Corps of Engineers are often deployed in disasters to help. This is the opposite and the governor of California specifically did not request this so Trump usurped his authority.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by koolba »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #85
hypeatei wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Here's hoping this is purely an optics play and they are only there to waste money and incite nationalism They don't deserve any benefit of the doubt at this point. Ask yourself what the MAGA reaction would've been to troops being deployed to their riot at the Capitol.

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> Is it crazy to want someone to protect my neighbor's car , or business? Is it wild to expect my lifetime saving not be torched or destroyed?

No, it’s not crazy but for an unusually large portion of the populace it makes you a racist.

Ditto for any suggestion that immigration law be enforced.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by unethical_ban »

giardini wrote: post #82
unethical_ban wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need more like you to teach how to do this right. I tell my friends that we need to look to Hong Kong and France in case the protests move to Texas.

In Texas, if you drop rocks on someone or destroy their property, they are, in many instances, free to use deadly force to stop you. Such "protests" would be much rarer and shorter in Texas.

You'd have police shoot into a crowd of people because rocks got thrown?

edit: I got throttled, as is the case on HN when things get "active". Here is my response to koolba:

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At a head? Sure.

Do I think police can get rough and "in it" with civilians without live fire and without the use of the US Military? Yes.

Do I think, when a sufficient bloc of a city rebels against its law enforcement, then maybe the law enforcement should reconsider what they're enforcing? Also yes.

I disagree with the premise that the State is always right and that their monopoly on violence is absolute.

We celebrate the US revolution and revolutions across the world when governments act illegally and against the will of the people, violating civil rights.

I would not support firing into a crowd of people because of minor property damage.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by unethical_ban »

msgodel wrote: post #88
unethical_ban wrote: post #65

Whether or not someone supports the current topic of the mostly peaceful and somewhat rebellious and violent protests, this much is clear. You either support somewhat violent protests, regardless of topic, expecting that law enforcement and civilians will handle it amongst themselves, or you are authoritarian and demand that the federal government intervene with the US Armed Forces the moment someone throws a rock at…

>lacks values I really hated when Fox news would say things like this and I hate it when individuals do. It makes it impossible for us to communicate. Just because the other side doesn't share your values doesn't mean they have none. You might say their values are evil. That's a different discussion, but they're rarely just reacting blindly.

I didn't say they lacked values. They clearly value authority and order above all else.

I'm saying they lack the values I grew up believing were universal in this country.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by koolba »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #16

Reminder that the authority under which the the US military is deployed against US citizens was intended to be used in exceptional (extreme) circumstances - ostensibly because no other options would suffice. The Insurrection Act authorizes the president to deploy military forces inside the United States to suppress rebellion or domestic violence or to enforce the law in certain situations. The statute implements Cong…

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by 1oooqooq »

crmd wrote: post #4

I worry that, rather than de-escalation, one of the White House’s explicit goals here is to stage manage a Kent State-like demonstration of state force against left-wing activists that spreads to other cities. I sincerely hope I’m cynically wrong here.

Back then we called it the Kent State Massacre

edit: and remember, it was a net positive for conservatives in the end.

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Post by dylan604 »

vasco wrote: post #83
bix6 wrote: post #49

This is terrifying and unconscionable. Hard to believe this is the USA today. I don’t really see this de-escalating given the ongoing rhetoric but I hope I’m wrong.

I'm not american but I remember marines being mobilized for hurricane Katrina in New Orleans too. Funny that if it's so bad to deploy them, why is it OK to deploy them in other countries?

Their job is to be deployed internationally and specifically not to be deployed domestically. That's why it's so appalling.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by lossolo »

bix6 wrote: post #49

This is terrifying and unconscionable. Hard to believe this is the USA today. I don’t really see this de-escalating given the ongoing rhetoric but I hope I’m wrong.

It's a salami tactic, that's how democracies are turning into autocracies, slice by slice. This is something new to you, but people who experienced this firsthand see what's going on in the US as an obvious road to autocratic rule. Then another Rubicon will be crossed, and another, one by one, little steps, until someday you will find yourself in a totally different country after all the steps converge into a different political system.
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