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Re: FSE meets the FBI

#91

Post by Moomoomoo309 »

blueflow wrote: post #89
pixl97 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diverse conversations are actually pretty rare in reality when conflicting opinions exist. The paradox of tolerance pretty much demands you weed out the extremists or they will be all that's left.

The trick is not being an ass towards someone you disagree with. If you quote Popper on this, you failed that and are rationalizing your behavior because you know its not good.

Can you think of a forum that isn't tiny that does not do this kind of moderation that isn't a cesspool? Your theory seems sound, but I don't know if I have ever seen it implemented such that the theory is correct.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#92

Post by throwaway095775 »

pixl97 wrote: post #87
blueflow wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"behaving like a jerk" by your cultural norms and standards. I understand your position and wish you and your instance a future of diverse and fruitful conversations.

Diverse conversations are actually pretty rare in reality when conflicting opinions exist. The paradox of tolerance pretty much demands you weed out the extremists or they will be all that's left.

> Diverse conversations are actually pretty rare in reality when conflicting opinions exist

So are we just not supposed to debate anything ever? Just find a convenient excuse to ban/block/mute and move on?

> The paradox of tolerance pretty much demands you weed out the extremists or they will be all that's left

Too bad everyone has a different idea of who an "extremist" is, and conveniently ignores the ones on their side.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#93

Post by RankingMember »

blueflow wrote: post #83
kstrauser wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no. I’m working hard to keep people who act horribly out of my corner of the fediverse. I’ve never blocked someone for having different political opinions from my own, for example, but I’ve blocked plenty of people, even those who mostly share my opinions, because they were behaving like jerks. I’m doing nothing whatsoever to keep you from talking to them. Hang out with anyone you want to, and I’ll do the sam…

"behaving like a jerk" by your cultural norms and standards. I understand your position and wish you and your instance a future of diverse and fruitful conversations.

> "behaving like a jerk" by your cultural norms and standards.

Calling someone the "n-word" doesn't really need a lot of cultural translation to be considered offensive.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#94

Post by blueflow »

pixl97 wrote: post #90
blueflow wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trick is not being an ass towards someone you disagree with. If you quote Popper on this, you failed that and are rationalizing your behavior because you know its not good.

The trick is the other person doing that too. Simply put a lot, if not most people don't want a rational debate where they discuss the many sides of an issue. They want to win. Take religion for example, seemingly most people that have one tend to believe not only they are right about it (if you debate it's correctness it shows your lack of faith), they are trying to convert you and if they fail you are an enemy.

Nah, this approach is not good because it kinda starts with the frontiers already drawn.

You don't even need to assert your own position, just ask question like "What is your intent behind saying that" or "Why does it have to be this specific way?" to derail them into some status quo. Provoke them into explaining their "great plan" until they tumble.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#96

Post by blueflow »

Moomoomoo309 wrote: post #91
blueflow wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trick is not being an ass towards someone you disagree with. If you quote Popper on this, you failed that and are rationalizing your behavior because you know its not good.

Can you think of a forum that isn't tiny that does not do this kind of moderation that isn't a cesspool? Your theory seems sound, but I don't know if I have ever seen it implemented such that the theory is correct.

I believe HN does it pretty well.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#97

Post by blueflow »

RankingMember wrote: post #93
blueflow wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"behaving like a jerk" by your cultural norms and standards. I understand your position and wish you and your instance a future of diverse and fruitful conversations.

> "behaving like a jerk" by your cultural norms and standards. Calling someone the "n-word" doesn't really need a lot of cultural translation to be considered offensive.

Its less a translation thing, but: I do not consider it offensive, yet i have to accommodate these sensitivities while the reverse is not considered.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#98

Post by lovich »

blueflow wrote: post #83
kstrauser wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no. I’m working hard to keep people who act horribly out of my corner of the fediverse. I’ve never blocked someone for having different political opinions from my own, for example, but I’ve blocked plenty of people, even those who mostly share my opinions, because they were behaving like jerks. I’m doing nothing whatsoever to keep you from talking to them. Hang out with anyone you want to, and I’ll do the sam…

"behaving like a jerk" by your cultural norms and standards. I understand your position and wish you and your instance a future of diverse and fruitful conversations.

Do you believe that people can hold a negative opinion of someone else and choose not to interact with them, or does your world view require that people are compelled to interact with anyone who demands it of them?

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#99

Post by lovich »

blueflow wrote: post #97
RankingMember wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "behaving like a jerk" by your cultural norms and standards. Calling someone the "n-word" doesn't really need a lot of cultural translation to be considered offensive.

Its less a translation thing, but: I do not consider it offensive, yet i have to accommodate these sensitivities while the reverse is not considered.

There is zero real world scenarios where someone who is communicating in English in the modern day, call someone an n-word and does not mean for it to be offensive.

You mean, you personally weren’t the target of an insult and you apparently are mystified as to why any other people’s feelings are taken into consideration

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#100

Post by blueflow »

lovich wrote: post #98
blueflow wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"behaving like a jerk" by your cultural norms and standards. I understand your position and wish you and your instance a future of diverse and fruitful conversations.

Do you believe that people can hold a negative opinion of someone else and choose not to interact with them, or does your world view require that people are compelled to interact with anyone who demands it of them?

My problem is that the instance admin does the blocking decision for the user, based on their own cultural norms, not the users.
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