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The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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> The idea is that we will all spend more money on AI that we spend on phones, and we will spend it on those companies only... I don't know, it just doesn't add up. My companies currently spend more on AI than phones - hardware and subscriptions. It's now the second highest expense to salaries and director's remuneration.

What are you doing with it?

Anything that could possibly justify the expense, I suspect, whether it is the right thing or not.

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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I think for the moment the leading AI companies are strongly incentivized to not succumb to the advertising curse. Their revenue is subscription driven and the competition is ridiculously fierce and immune to collusion. Everyone is trying to one-up everyone else and there is no moat that locks you into a single product. Their incentive is to score as high as possible on benchmarks in order to drive up their user base…

The adds can be outside of the AI reply-pane. Just like adds are outside of Google search results.

? Google search ads aren't outside of the results. They used to be, until they realized they got more clicks if they weren't.

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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I think for the moment the leading AI companies are strongly incentivized to not succumb to the advertising curse. Their revenue is subscription driven and the competition is ridiculously fierce and immune to collusion. Everyone is trying to one-up everyone else and there is no moat that locks you into a single product. Their incentive is to score as high as possible on benchmarks in order to drive up their user base…

The adds can be outside of the AI reply-pane. Just like adds are outside of Google search results.

Not anymore they're not, they're tightly integrated.

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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The money situation is what gives me pause with LLMs. The amount of money it's burned on this is giant; those companies will need to make so much money to have any possibility of return. The idea is that we will all spend more money on AI that we spend on phones, and we will spend it on those companies only... I don't know, it just doesn't add up. As a user it's a great free ride though. Maybe there IS such a thing a…

I’m constantly confused why Google wants me to use Gemini so much. Why would they want me to use an AI that doesn’t show ads, isn’t their search, and costs them money to generate the responses? The instant we see ads in LLMs we will stop using them, it will be as abrupt and as annoying as the vuvuzela example because using an LLM is a very intimate interaction. It will feel much more jarring when your intimate chat f…

> The instant we see ads in LLMs we will stop using them

You mean like how the instant we see ads on YouTube we will stop using it?

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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It's kind of already happening. For example, if you ask an LLM for advice on building an application, it's going to pigeon-hole you into using React.

That’s because of statistical likelihood and abundance of web content about React which seems to be kinda default choice. Had to be a looong con if it was an ad.

Are people putting up vast arrays of websites to promote products/politics solely to sway LLM-feeding crawlers yet?

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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I think that your negative view of alcohol is making you a bit conspiratorial. It's an extremely deeply ingrained thing in western culture, you don't need to resort to product placement to explain why filmmakers depict it. People genuinely do have a good time drinking.

It's that way because of successful marketing - just like smoking, or cars, or fast food.

Beer, spirits etc was a big thing way before the printing press.

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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I think that your negative view of alcohol is making you a bit conspiratorial. It's an extremely deeply ingrained thing in western culture, you don't need to resort to product placement to explain why filmmakers depict it. People genuinely do have a good time drinking.

It's that way because of successful marketing - just like smoking, or cars, or fast food.

People enjoyed drinking long before there was marketing. People have been enjoying alcohol for literally tens of thousands of years. It has been associated with celebrations for many thousands (e.g. Jesus giving people alcohol to keep a wedding reception going - and that is just something that comes to mind - I am sure there are MUCH earlier examples someone familiar with older stuff can come up with).

I would correct it to anti-alcohol sentiment being ingrained in American culture (as it is in some others, such as the Middle East) rather than western culture. Its an American hang-up, as with nudity etc.

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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I am deliberately keeping away from LLMs for search. I'm old enough to remember finally ditching Altavista for the new upstart Google. I did briefly flirt with Ask Jeeves but it was not good enough. I don't think anyone has it sorted yet. LLM search will always be flawed due to being a next token guesser - it cannot be trusted for "facts". A LLM fact is not even a considered opinion, it is simply next token guessing.…

I miss Altavista every day. Case-sensitive search is how you tell DOS from DoS. Putting "exact phrases" in quotes no longer seems to work. Then they added insult to injury by forcing you to +mandate a term otherwise they might just ignore it. Now that no longer works either. I've entirely given up on Google. I've made extensive shortcuts so I can directly search various sites straight from my location bar: wikipedia,…

It's really strange, while I agree Google's results aren't as good as they used to be, they're still miles ahead of DDG for me. Is it because I still use keyword search like it's the early 2000s?

I tried to switch to DDG because Google was blocking Hurricane Electric IPv6 tunnels. DDG is still my homepage but I usually end up clicking the bookmark I made for ipv4.google.com. I wish I knew why DDG works for all you people but it's horrible for me.

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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I’m constantly confused why Google wants me to use Gemini so much. Why would they want me to use an AI that doesn’t show ads, isn’t their search, and costs them money to generate the responses? The instant we see ads in LLMs we will stop using them, it will be as abrupt and as annoying as the vuvuzela example because using an LLM is a very intimate interaction. It will feel much more jarring when your intimate chat f…

Google thinks it is going to charge a monthly fee for Gemini so they are basically correcting their model to be user paid in the switch from search to LLM. They are also trying to reduce workers in search, etc, somewhat through the trained LLMs so the other idea is that they have lower costs per user. I don't think many people will pay monthly fees or will want to pay them for each platform they use which is why they…

This.

Gemini Pro requires a monthly subscription.

Seems like a pretty straightforward business model.

Re: The librarian immediately attempts to sell you a vuvuzela

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My dream solution: The EU creates an institution for public knowledge, a kind of library+tech solution. It probably funds classic libraries in member countries, but it also invests in tech. It dovetails nicely into a big push to get science to thrive in the EU etc. The tech part makes a in-the-public-interest search engine and AI. The techies are incentivised to try and whack-a-mole the classic SEO. E.g. they might s…

> The tech part makes a in-the-public-interest search engine and AI.

Which will be provided by a private sector contractor and it goes to the lowest bidder who offsets their costs with advertising.

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