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How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

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Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

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I really don’t get all the fretting about drones making kill-no-kill decisions. You’re telling me that you’d rather this was done by a stressed, emotional, tired front-line private? Reminds me of the debate about a self driving car that might need to mount the curb to avoid hitting a car - and therefore endangering a pedestrian. It’s not an easy decision but I’d rather a machine made it than a stressed person!

When a stressed person mistakenly does something they shouldn't have, they typically stop doing it after only a small handful of mistakes. We get tired, or bored, or we wise up to our mistake.

When a misconfigured computer does something wrong, it frequently does it over and over and over again until it is prevented from doing so by an external intervention.

No tired private is going to mistakenly rampage through a populated area mowing down civilians. But a confused drone swarm might.

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

#92
post #15

I really don’t get all the fretting about drones making kill-no-kill decisions. You’re telling me that you’d rather this was done by a stressed, emotional, tired front-line private? Reminds me of the debate about a self driving car that might need to mount the curb to avoid hitting a car - and therefore endangering a pedestrian. It’s not an easy decision but I’d rather a machine made it than a stressed person!

>It’s not an easy decision but I’d rather a machine made it than a stressed person!

A machine also can't be held responsible.

Who do the surviving relatives of the crush pedestrian sue? No longer the driver i guess

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

#93
post #62

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>> I really don’t get all the fretting about drones making kill-no-kill decisions. >> You’re telling me that you’d rather this was done by a stressed, emotional, tired front-line private? I want somebody that can be held accountable when it goes wrong. With automated systems we don't have that.

That's not an issue, you can always hold someone accountable, from those who own to those who program.

Is the person who presses a button that releases an autonomous kill-no-kill drone into a country going to jail when that drone razes an entire town of civilians? I doubt it. “Mistakes happen” etc.

The visceral reaction is not there that would motivate the legal system to send the group that started a cascade of autonomous decisions by a robot to kill a bunch of civilians.

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

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"He said that each of the 117 drones launched had its own pilot." https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1ld7ppre9vo

How could they be navigated from such a long distance? Satellite communication? Wouldn't the lag be too high?

Everyone was right next to the bases in Russia

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

#95
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Human soldiers kill civilians pretty much all the time. Then they brag to their friends how cool they are. Drones do not rape, soldiers rape (and yes they rape men too in case someone wants to make it about gender). All the bombs Russia thrown onto Ukrainian civilians were thrown by human soldiers.

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> imagine

Trying to use imaginary situations when there’s a clear and real one going on - check.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_the_Russian...

> Dozens of confirmed rape cases, that don’t even include all the violence between 2014 and 2022

>> Well, akshually , tovarisch, rapes haven’t even started yet

Check.

> SMO

It’s war, “drug”, even führer junior called it already.

Calling war SMO - check.

> What about west

Check.

> Denying war crimes

Check.

Astonishing, perfect record. Straight out of metodichka, Petrov.

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

#96
post #37

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"He said that each of the 117 drones launched had its own pilot." https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1ld7ppre9vo

The drones reportedly flew from their containers to the staging area autonomously, where they were taken over by the pilots for the attack approach.

So what about the AI part that has been mentioned by several outlets?

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

#97
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Source?

https://x.com/lemonodor/status/1929269307189469624 You can also see the careful departure of drones from containers in the videos, without extra panning or yaw. Not quite how a human operator would fly them.

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https://xcancel.com/lemonodor/status/1929269307189469624

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

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"He said that each of the 117 drones launched had its own pilot." https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1ld7ppre9vo

How could they be navigated from such a long distance? Satellite communication? Wouldn't the lag be too high?

Via the regular mobile network according to one article I read. The Ukrainians said that all operators where safely out of Russia when the news broke, so I doubt they where at the airfields several hundreds of kilometers from Ukraine.

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

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post #93
post #62

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That's not an issue, you can always hold someone accountable, from those who own to those who program.

Is the person who presses a button that releases an autonomous kill-no-kill drone into a country going to jail when that drone razes an entire town of civilians? I doubt it. “Mistakes happen” etc. The visceral reaction is not there that would motivate the legal system to send the group that started a cascade of autonomous decisions by a robot to kill a bunch of civilians.

That depends on those two imaginary countries. Also, are you unaware of the many instances where people faced no accountability even when it wasn't a mistake, but deliberate?

Re: How Ukraine’s killer drones are beating Russian jamming

#100
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The drones reportedly flew from their containers to the staging area autonomously, where they were taken over by the pilots for the attack approach.

So what about the AI part that has been mentioned by several outlets?

I would assume someone speculated and then the hype brain took over and everyone reported it as AI.

I've had that happen to the company I work at and we literally have zero AI stuff.

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