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I'm Not Japanese

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Re: I'm Not Japanese

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And amazingly, going to Google Maps still defaults to a map of the US... (edit: when you go to maps.google.com)

Well sure. just like ditu.google.cn defaults to a China map. maps.google.co.uk defaults to a UK map, maps.google.fr defaults to France. Google IS an American company, so maybe google.com ought to direct to a US map.

Re: I'm Not Japanese

#93
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>> Does Google assumes that we live in The Matrix, and you can learn a new country’s language instantly as soon as you move there? >> Google is making the (accurate) calculation that over 99% of people coming from a Japanese IP address whose computer says "Accept-Language: en-gb;q=0.9, en;q=0.7" are actually Japanese speakers of Japanese (true preference: "Accept-Language: ja-jp;q=1.0; en;q=0.000001") whose configura…

Most browsers set the default Accept-Language header correctly. If some IT department screwed it up, it's not the reason to ignore the standards. My HTTP request data should be a priority over my IP address location. And Accept-Language is just that mechanism to set a preferred language for the response. In all my travels I had to deal with language issues from Google. But it goes beyond that, as the vast majority of…

Yeah, if an IT department messed up, call the helpdesk and complain. The setting will either be fixed or support should be able to get you through the menus to correct the setting on your own.

Re: I'm Not Japanese

#94
post #34

This kind of thing pisses me off regularly. Google is one of the worst offenders, completely ignoring browser language preferences. But American websites in general are awful at this. They completely ignore local diversity and sensitivities and simply assume "one country, one language", so they will for instance happily present Flemish users with French interfaces. It's fucking offensive. If I type google.com instead…

Do the sites in question even have Flemish interfaces?

Re: I'm Not Japanese

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google is making the (completely wrong) assumption that those people cannot type google.co.jp instead of google.com and make their own choices. You're making the completely unsupported assumption that the average internet user understands domain names. Like patio11 suggested, if a user from a Japanese IP is accessing google.com, it's likely that this address was pre-configured in some way: the search bar was set up…

Come on, most users outside the US are perfectly used to a plethora of international TLD's. It's something they are quite familiar with. Also, they either use the English version of the OS and browser, or the one in their language, and both come with the default correct preferred language settings. The same goes for company systems. You don't give someone who can't handle English an English language system, and the i…

What method is more reliable than guessing the language based on the IP address?

Re: I'm Not Japanese

#96
Lifehacker and other multinational blogs should take note as well.

The cynic in me wants to tell you that you'll only learn Japanese better if you immerse yourself ;)

Re: I'm Not Japanese

#97
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>> Does Google assumes that we live in The Matrix, and you can learn a new country’s language instantly as soon as you move there? >> Google is making the (accurate) calculation that over 99% of people coming from a Japanese IP address whose computer says "Accept-Language: en-gb;q=0.9, en;q=0.7" are actually Japanese speakers of Japanese (true preference: "Accept-Language: ja-jp;q=1.0; en;q=0.000001") whose configura…

> Google is making the (accurate) calculation that over 99% of people coming from a Japanese IP address whose computer says "Accept-Language: en-gb;q=0.9, en;q=0.7" are actually Japanese speakers of Japanese Google is making the (completely wrong) assumption that those people cannot type google.co.jp instead of google.com and make their own choices. But at least in Japan they're probably right about the language. Goo…

Shouldn't US users then be using google.us, and uk users use google.co.uk and should google.com just redirect to the language of the location of the user?

Re: I'm Not Japanese

#98
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>> Does Google assumes that we live in The Matrix, and you can learn a new country’s language instantly as soon as you move there? >> Google is making the (accurate) calculation that over 99% of people coming from a Japanese IP address whose computer says "Accept-Language: en-gb;q=0.9, en;q=0.7" are actually Japanese speakers of Japanese (true preference: "Accept-Language: ja-jp;q=1.0; en;q=0.000001") whose configura…

I am logged on to Google, and they know I want English results and an English interface, because I've gone through and done all the settings. And yet, occasionally something goes wonky and they start showing me the interface in Italian again. I have no problems if their default is the local language - that's pretty much a no-brainer - but when I've told them in no uncertain terms what my own preferences are, they oug…

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Re: I'm Not Japanese

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post #3

>> Does Google assumes that we live in The Matrix, and you can learn a new country’s language instantly as soon as you move there? >> Google is making the (accurate) calculation that over 99% of people coming from a Japanese IP address whose computer says "Accept-Language: en-gb;q=0.9, en;q=0.7" are actually Japanese speakers of Japanese (true preference: "Accept-Language: ja-jp;q=1.0; en;q=0.000001") whose configura…

This is not entirely so. When I visited Japan, my browser prompted "We've detected you've moved to Japan, would you like to change..."

That to me seems wrong. No one learns a language in 7 hours.

Re: I'm Not Japanese

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post #95
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on, most users outside the US are perfectly used to a plethora of international TLD's. It's something they are quite familiar with. Also, they either use the English version of the OS and browser, or the one in their language, and both come with the default correct preferred language settings. The same goes for company systems. You don't give someone who can't handle English an English language system, and the i…

What method is more reliable than guessing the language based on the IP address?

Ask the user, remember preference. Possibly Accept-Language (note - not locale, as locale != language). But, ask the user.
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