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Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by rafaelmn »

selcuka wrote: post #89
tkzed49 wrote: post #14

The problem is that this is $100/mo with limits. At work I use Cursor, which is pretty good (especially tab completion), and at home I use Copilot in vscode insiders build, which is catching up to Cursor IMO. However, as long as Microsoft is offering copilot at (presumably subsidized) $10/mo, I'm not interested in paying 10x as much and still having limits. It would have to be 10x as useful, and I doubt that.

> I'm not interested in paying 10x as much and still having limits. It would have to be 10x as useful I don't think this is the right way to look at it. If CoPilot helps you earn an extra $100 a month (or saves you $100 worth of time), and this one is ~2x better, it still justifies the $100 price tag.

At 10-20$ a month that calculation is trivial to make. At a 100$ I'm honestly not getting that much value out of AI, especially not every month, and especially not compared to cheaper versions.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

#92

Post by drodgers »

pier25 wrote: post #83
conradkay wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Average US salary for SWE is 10-12k/month. Fully-loaded cost (what they spend) is 1.5-2x salary so that's not an unrealistic number

So you're arguing about the top 10-20% earners in the US? Also the world is much bigger than the US.

Yes, this product mostly only targets the top 20% of US earners. That's a lot of people, and a lot of HN readers especially.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

#93

Post by pier25 »

vel0city wrote: post #86
pier25 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're arguing about the top 10-20% earners in the US? Also the world is much bigger than the US.

The point is you don't have to have FAANG salaries to hit $20k/mo in cost to your employer. Tons of software developer jobs in the US for non-FAANG tier or unicorn startup companies are >$100k and easily hit $120-150k. Also the fourth quintile mean was like $120k in the US in 2022. So you'd be in the top 30% of earners making that kind of money, not the top 10%. https://taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/household-income…

> unicorn startup companies are >$100k and easily hit $120-150k.

So still way below than $240k, no?

> So you'd be in the top 30% of earners making that kind of money, not the top 10%.

Maybe you missed it but I actually wrote "10-20%".

Also in 2024 earning $100k puts you in the top 20% of the US population.

https://dqydj.com/salary-percentile-calculator/

(which is already way above even the EU for dev salaries)

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

#94

Post by edmundsauto »

tkzed49 wrote: post #14

The problem is that this is $100/mo with limits. At work I use Cursor, which is pretty good (especially tab completion), and at home I use Copilot in vscode insiders build, which is catching up to Cursor IMO. However, as long as Microsoft is offering copilot at (presumably subsidized) $10/mo, I'm not interested in paying 10x as much and still having limits. It would have to be 10x as useful, and I doubt that.

I think this thinking is flawed. First, it presupposes a linear value/cost relationship. That is not always true - a bag that costs 100x as much is not 100x more useful.

Additionally, when you’re in a compact distribution, being 5% better might be 100x more valuable to you.

Basically, this assumes that the marginal value is associated with cost. I don’t think most things, economically, seem to match that pattern. I will sometimes pay 10x the cost for a good meal that has fewer calories (nutritional value)

I am glad people like you exist, but I don’t think the proposition you suggest makes sense.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by winrid »

winrid wrote: post #77
hcnews wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you anonymize and share your last 5-10 prompts? Just wanna understand how people are using Claude Code.

"Ensure all our crons publish to telegraf when they start and finish. Include the cron name and tenant id when applicable. For crons that query batch jobs, only publish and take a lock when there is work to do. look at as an example. Here is the complete list to migrate. Create a todo list and continue until done. " (updated for better example)

The thing I forgot is the command for it to get the next set of files to process. Otherwise it will migrate 30% of them and say "look dad, I'm done!"

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

#96

Post by vel0city »

pier25 wrote: post #93
vel0city wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is you don't have to have FAANG salaries to hit $20k/mo in cost to your employer. Tons of software developer jobs in the US for non-FAANG tier or unicorn startup companies are >$100k and easily hit $120-150k. Also the fourth quintile mean was like $120k in the US in 2022. So you'd be in the top 30% of earners making that kind of money, not the top 10%. https://taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/household-income…

> unicorn startup companies are >$100k and easily hit $120-150k. So still way below than $240k, no? > So you'd be in the top 30% of earners making that kind of money, not the top 10%. Maybe you missed it but I actually wrote "10-20%". Also in 2024 earning $100k puts you in the top 20% of the US population. https://dqydj.com/salary-percentile-calculator/ (which is already way above even the EU for dev salaries)

You dropped off the "non" part of that. It's the non-Unicorn software companies easily paying $120k for a seasoned software developer in the US.

Also, I noticed where our sources diverged. I was looking at household income. My bad.

> which is already way above even the EU for dev salaries

Maybe they're underpaid.

Either way, I was responding to the idea that only a FAANG salary would cost an employer $20k/mo. For US software developer jobs, it can easily hit that without being in FAANG-tier or unicorn startup level companies. Tons of mid-sized low-key software companies you've never heard of pay $120k+ for software devs in the US.

The median software developer in Texas makes >$130k/yr. Think that's all just Facebook and Apple and silicon valley VC funded startup software devs? Similar story in Ohio, is that a place loaded with unicorn software startups? Those median salaries in those markets probably cost their employer around $20k/mo.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Senior-Software-Engine...

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Senior-Software-Engine...

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

#97

Post by jbm »

pier25 wrote: post #49

$200/month? Do people really get that much value from these tools? I use Github's Copilot for $10 and I'm somewhat happy for what I get... but paying 10x or 20x that just seems insane.

To rescue a flailing project that I took over when a senior hire ghosted a customer in the middle of a project, I got the 200$ Pro package from OpenAI (which is much less usable than Claude for our purposes; there were other benefits related to my client's relationship w/ OpenAI)

In the end, I was able to rescue the code part, rebuilding a 3 month long 10 person project in 2 weeks, with another 2 weeks to implement a follow-up series of requirements. The sheer amount of discussion and code creation would have been impossible without AI, and I used the full limits I was afforded.

So to answer your question, I got my money's worth in that specific use case. That said, the previous failing effort also unearthed a ton of unspoken assumptions that I was able to leverage. Without providing those assumptions to the AI, I couldn't have produced the app they wanted. Extracting that information was like extracting teeth so I'm not sure if we would have really had a better situation if we started off with everyone having an OpenAPI Pro account.

* Those who work in enterprise know intuitively what happened next.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by csomar »

hcnews wrote: post #74
ramoz wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t resonate with me because I’ve spent over $1,000 on Claude Code at this point and the return is worth it. The spend feels cheap compared to output. In contrast - I’m not interested in using cheaper, less-than, services for my livelihood.

Could you anonymize and share your last 5-10 prompts? Just wanna understand how people are using Claude Code.

I used it yesterday to convert a website from tailwind v1 to v4. Gave it the files (html/scss/js), links to tailwind and it did the job. Needed some back and forth and some manual stuff but overall it was painless.

It is not a challenging technical thing to do. I could have sat there for hours reading the conversion from v1 to v2 to v3 to v4. It is mostly just changing class names. But these changes are hard to do with %s/x/x, so you need to do them manually. One by One. For hundreds of classes. I could have as easily shot myself in the head.

> Could you anonymize and share your last 5-10 prompts?

The prompt was a simple "convert this site from tailwind v1 to v4". I use neovim copilot chat to inject context and load URLs. I have found that prompts have no value, it is either something the LLM can do or not.

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

#99

Post by ramoz »

hcnews wrote: post #74
ramoz wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn’t resonate with me because I’ve spent over $1,000 on Claude Code at this point and the return is worth it. The spend feels cheap compared to output. In contrast - I’m not interested in using cheaper, less-than, services for my livelihood.

Could you anonymize and share your last 5-10 prompts? Just wanna understand how people are using Claude Code.

These aren't that fun but sure.

- https://gist.github.com/backnotprop/ca49f356bdd2ab7bb7a366ef...

- https://gist.github.com/backnotprop/d9f1d9f9b4379d6551ba967c...

- https://gist.github.com/backnotprop/e74b5b0f714e0429750ef6b0...

- https://gist.github.com/backnotprop/91f1a08d9c27698310d63e06...

- https://gist.github.com/backnotprop/7f7cb63aceb7560e51c02a9d...

- https://gist.github.com/backnotprop/94080dde34bfca3dd9c48f14...

- https://gist.github.com/backnotprop/ea3a5c3a31799236115abc76...

Taken from 2 recent systems. 90% of my interaction is assurance, debugging, and then having claude operate within the meta context management framework. We work hard to set the path for actual coding - thus code output (even complex or highly integrated) usually ends up being fairly smooth+fast.

When I "wake" CC up I usually use a prompt like this to preface any complex work: https://gist.github.com/backnotprop/d2e4547fc4546eea071b9b68... (the goal is to get all relevant context in-memory).

For most planning I use Gemini. I copy either the entire codebase (if less than ~200k tokens) or select only that parts that matter for the task in large codebases. I built a tool to help me build these prompts, keep the codebase organized well in xml structure. https://github.com/backnotprop/prompt-tower

Re: A flat pricing subscription for Claude Code

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Post by ramoz »

_bin_ wrote: post #70
ramoz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. For small apps, as well distributed systems. You have to puppeteer it and build a meta context/tasking management system. I spend a lot of time setting Claude code up for success. I usually start with Gemini for creating context, development plans, and project tasking outlines (I can feed large portions of codebase to Gemini and rely on its strategy). I’ve even put entire library docsites in my repos for Claude…

I'd be really interested in seeing the source for this, if it's an open-source project, along with the prompts and some examples. Or other source/prompt examples you know of. A lot of people seem to have these magic incantations that somehow make LLMs work really well, at the level marketing and investor hype says they do. However, I rarely see that in the real world. I'm not saying this is true for you, but absent v…

Not open source but depending on certain context i can show you. im not hard to find.
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