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Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #71
mooreds wrote: post #54

On several of Tyler Cowen's recent podcasts, he has said essentially "there are really only two countries that have AI, China and the USA. Does this mean that other countries (like Peru) won't really have a functioning, powerful government when AI runs everything". See https://conversationswithtyler.com/episodes/chris-dixon/ > As you know, not many countries have serious AI companies, and even those in Europe may or…

> when AI runs everything You can't be seriously considering fancy autocomplete word guessers are replacing governments when Musk can't even get Grok to stop telling Twitter users what a moron he is.

Fancy autocomplete is, today, killing people in at least two wars. We must stop dismissing the technical nightmare now at our doorstep.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

mooreds wrote: post #54

On several of Tyler Cowen's recent podcasts, he has said essentially "there are really only two countries that have AI, China and the USA. Does this mean that other countries (like Peru) won't really have a functioning, powerful government when AI runs everything". See https://conversationswithtyler.com/episodes/chris-dixon/ > As you know, not many countries have serious AI companies, and even those in Europe may or…

> You can turn over your national defense to the AIs. None of these are Peruvian companies most likely. In the final analysis, are we even left with the government of Peru?

Folks, this has already been happening for decades, western consultancies and think tanks have been pushing for privatisation and outsourcing to American firms and as a result many governments, like UK, have been hollowed. In many cases they haven’t got a grip and the country is running on autopilot.

As the consultancies replace employees with AI, the outcome you talk about will be achieved, in about 5 years. No far fetched future required

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by globalnode »

How can a glorified NLP app be equated with being the backbone of economic development and a path to AGI ? So many people have been fooled by marketing.

Honestly though, we have a much bigger issue with climate change in the medium to long run and it doesn't really matter what our governments and companies do with stats and spyware. If anyone thinks we can stop and deal with the climate when it becomes a bigger problem, just take a look at our track record so far.

(only mentioning climate change to offer perspective)

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by moralestapia »

hayst4ck wrote: post #69
slg wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the most shocking aspects of this era of history is the number of people who not only end up accidentally resembling or aligning with the bad guys of our satire and dystopian fiction, but how many of them seem to be actively and intentionally pursuing that path. It's the Torment Nexus all the way down.

That's because there are no consequences for bad behavior, only reward. Game theory dictates that if bad behavior is a winning strategy it will be adopted and propagate until it is the dominant strategy. The only way it stops becoming a winning strategy is if we provide consequences, but that requires taking personal responsibility for the state of the world, which was a core American value, but doesn't seem to be an…

100%.

"Smaht"[1] people learn to game the system and scam others for momentary benefit.

The worse side that is that we're all guilty of that system, to some degree, even if only by enabling it.

I'm also 100% sure that this is what drives civilizations to the ground.

1. Smaht is a term I use to describe people who think they're smart but they're actually extremely stupid. A lot of smaht people have degrees and diplomas which further fuels their delusion of intelligence.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by soared »

> It’s clear to everyone now that this kind of infrastructure is going to be the backbone of future economic growth and national development

Source?

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by rytill »

echelon wrote: post #46
kiernanmcgowan wrote: post #8

> We want to help these countries, and in the process, spread democratic AI I'm reading this in the same voice as Helldivers 2 "managed democracy"

> spread democratic AI Open weights and code and models? That's the only way to ensure sovereignty. I think this company is a walking oxymoron.

Don’t forget the training data!

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by soared »

mooreds wrote: post #54

On several of Tyler Cowen's recent podcasts, he has said essentially "there are really only two countries that have AI, China and the USA. Does this mean that other countries (like Peru) won't really have a functioning, powerful government when AI runs everything". See https://conversationswithtyler.com/episodes/chris-dixon/ > As you know, not many countries have serious AI companies, and even those in Europe may or…

IMO that analysis is shortsighted when looking at other technologies. Peru’s government would grind to a halt with say, windows/osx, excel, chrome, email etc. They are all tools that enable work. I don’t see AI being categorically different.

In this hypothetical world where AI runs the treasury, is the US now in a massively better position to make treasury related decisions? Maybe? Does the US gov have a remote chance of abiding by these decisions? Etc.

I can see Peru being disadvantaged if they don’t use AI, but if they contract out and set up their own stuff that they didn’t actually build - how’s that really worse? I feel like they let the US spend hundreds of billions in development costs and can now reap the rewards.

Re: OpenAI for Countries

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

grafmax wrote: post #73

They are claiming that free markets are an expression of democratic principles. Free markets concentrate wealth and power. Concentration of wealth and power is antithetical to democracy.

See, you just don’t get it, we will only be free when we get rid of politicians and have referendums on all legislation.

But you can sell options on your family’s votes.

Once someone sells a vote, they are in vote debt, and can default by voting a different person than they agreed.

So now you have to have a credit rating, but for voters. Then you need to have Voter Default swaps, which can be Bundled into Voter Default Obligations, Of VDO’s. And then you can have Synthetic Voter Default Swaps and ahead of a major election you can do a Big Short.

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