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Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by lmkg »

dylan604 wrote: post #58
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you can't answer that question, if it can be answered, that's still personal data.

What's the minimum size of an operation before the GDPR kicks in? In other words, are all sites governed by GDPR, or are some companies considered too small to be under the GDPR regulations? I know that there are some regulations that get a pass for smaller outfits. I know nothing about GDPR as a European audience is not my target and not kowtowing for them.

GDPR does not currently have explicit business size thresholds. Its provisions are all framed as personal rights of the data subject, so its provisions are always in effect. By contrast, CCPA in California is framed as a consumer protection law so it only applies to companies of a certain size.

In practice, small fries are not an enforcement priority. Regulators in most countries are not well-funded so they have to be frugal with their enforcement actions.

The EU is currently reviewing an option to relax GDPR requirements for smaller businesses. Not remove GDPR requirements, just streamline some of the process overhead.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by _heimdall »

openplatypus wrote: post #81
stuartjohnson12 wrote: post #76

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> Posthog - its SaaS is US based so dismissed early by EU customers. Posthog has had an EU server for years. I'm not sure what you mean by this.

It is US company. It does not matter where the servers are physically located.

It would be quite funny to reply to an NSA request by saying "Oh yeah, I have that data and can access it but its on a server in the EU. I can get it, but I won't."

I genuinely don't know how they would proceed, but it'd be interesting to watch.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by jillyboel »

_heimdall wrote: post #92
openplatypus wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is US company. It does not matter where the servers are physically located.

It would be quite funny to reply to an NSA request by saying "Oh yeah, I have that data and can access it but its on a server in the EU. I can get it, but I won't." I genuinely don't know how they would proceed, but it'd be interesting to watch.

Some not-so-friendly men in suits will show up at your house. Afterwards you will most certainly comply.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by bill_yang »

cyberax wrote: post #93

Is there anything that can work with the request logs instead of the usual transparent pixels and/or script inclusions?

I'm going to develop server-side SDKs in the future. But many existing platforms like posthog already support this, though I don't know if they support processing raw request logs literally.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by miragecraft »

A couple of days ago I was researching website analytics and GDPR/cookie law, and it seems clear that you need user consent even if IP addresses are only processed or temporarily stored before being discarded.

Arguing otherwise is like claiming it’s legal to steal from a store as long as you return the goods the next day - it’s legal fantasy.

I don’t think the EU is eager to go after these “ethical” analytics companies or their users, since they have bigger fish to fry. But if you think you’re legally in the clear using these solutions without user consent, you’re fooling yourself.

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by CliffyA »

VladVladikoff wrote: post #79

Is there any server side only analytics software that is open source and decent? I really don’t want to add any more JavaScript to my pages that I don’t need.

I have some static websites on S3 and CloudFront. I use https://goaccess.io/ to parse the logs and generate a html report.

As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, there is a lot of bot activity there, that using JS might cleanup a bit.

If you are interested, I have a write up of my setup here, with the report generation down at the bottom: https://gamestrut.com/Blog/2022-06-08-static-site-hosting-on...

Re: RybbitL Open source Google Analytics replacement

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

openplatypus wrote: post #84
thwarted wrote: post #82

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> if someone is a PostHog customer they probably won't be using Ahref web analytics It's (un)surprisingly common to end up with multiple website analytics products on the same site; marketing wants these two, another department wants another. When I had ghostery show the list of things it was blocking I often saw multiple, overlapping-feature-set analytics integrations being blocked on the same site.

Yes, I have seen organizations with websites that had 15+ trackers because every person in the company had their favourite tool.

I've seen companies from the inside where those 15+ trackers were all added by one person in the span of a week.

I've also seen those trackers be added by someone who exits the organization a month later there by blessing the trackers with a protection spell making their removal unlikely for fear of breaking some metric pipeline somewhere.

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