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Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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Also, "ChatGPT" sounds like chat, j’ai pété ("cat, I farted")

Mistral should highlight more in their marketing that it doesn’t make you fart.

Instead it disobeys commands, uses up your resources then you find it never belonged to you in the first place.

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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> I think this is a game changer, because data privacy is a legitimate concern for many enterprise users. Indeed. At work, we are experimenting with this. Using a cloud platform is a non-starter for data confidentiality reasons. On-premise is the way to go. Also, they’re not American, which helps. > Btw, you can also run Mistral locally within the Docker model runner on a Mac. True, but you can do that only with thei…

I also kind of don't understand how it seems everyone is using AI for coding. I haven't had a client yet which would have approved any external AI usage. So I basically use them as search engines on steroids, but code can't go directly in or out.

Are your clients not on AWS/Azure/GCP? They all offer private LLMs out of the box now.

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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You might be able to get your clients to sign something to allow usage, but if you don't, as you say, it doesn't seem wise to vibe code for them. For two reasons: 1. A typical contract transfers the rights to the work. The ownership of AI generated code is legally a wee bit disputed. If you modify and refactor generated code heavily it's probably fine, but if you just accept AI generated code en masse, making your cl…

This comes down to a question of what one can prove. NNs are necessary not explainable and none of this would have much evidence to show in court.

Sure there's evidence: Your statements about this when challenged. And perhaps to a degree the commit log, at least that can arouse suspicion.

Sure, you can say "I'd just lie about it". But I don't know how many people would just casually lie in court. I sure wouldn't. Ethics is one thing, it takes a lot of guts, considering the possible repercussions.

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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> I think this is a game changer, because data privacy is a legitimate concern for many enterprise users. Indeed. At work, we are experimenting with this. Using a cloud platform is a non-starter for data confidentiality reasons. On-premise is the way to go. Also, they’re not American, which helps. > Btw, you can also run Mistral locally within the Docker model runner on a Mac. True, but you can do that only with thei…

I also kind of don't understand how it seems everyone is using AI for coding. I haven't had a client yet which would have approved any external AI usage. So I basically use them as search engines on steroids, but code can't go directly in or out.

Personally I am trying to see if we can leverage AI to help write design documents instead of code, based on a fairly large library of human (poorly) written design documents and bug reports.

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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While I am rooting for Mistral, having access to a diverse set of models is the killer app IMHO. Sometimes you want to code. Sometimes you want to write. Not all models are made equal.

Tbh I think the one general model approach is winning. People don't want to figure out which model is better at what unless its for a very specific task.

Couldn't you could place a very light weight model in front to figure out which model to use?

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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"patriotic Europeans" is an... interesting combination of words. I'd almost call it an oxymoron.

To me that's a clue that it's written by an American :-).

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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That's pretty tough - the problem is that you need to have RAM left over to run actual applications! Qwen 3 8B on MLX runs in just 5GB of RAM and can write basic code but I don't know if it would be good enough for anything interesting: https://simonwillison.net/2025/May/2/qwen3-8b/ Honestly though with that little memory I'd stick to running against hosted LLMs - Claude 3.7 Sonnet, Gemini 2.5 Pro, o4-mini are all ch…

How about on an MacBook Pro M2 Max with 64GB RAM? Any recommendations for local models for coding on that? I tried to run some of the differently sized DeepSeek R1 locally when those had recently come out, but couldn’t manage at the time to run any of them. And I had to download a lot of data to try those. So if you know a specific size of DeepSeek R1 that will work on 64GB RAM on MacBook Pro M2 Max, or another great…

There are plenty of smaller (quantized) models that fit well on your machine! On a M4 with 24GB it’s already possible to comfortably run 8B quantized models.

Im benchmarking runtime and memory usage for a few of them: https://aukejw.github.io/mlx_transformers_benchmark/

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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This comes down to a question of what one can prove. NNs are necessary not explainable and none of this would have much evidence to show in court.

Sure there's evidence: Your statements about this when challenged. And perhaps to a degree the commit log, at least that can arouse suspicion. Sure, you can say "I'd just lie about it". But I don't know how many people would just casually lie in court. I sure wouldn't. Ethics is one thing, it takes a lot of guts, considering the possible repercussions.

"I do not recall"

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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Nobody is seriously disputing the ownership of AI generated code. A serious dispute would be a considerable, concerted effort to stop AI code generation in any jurisdiction, that provides a contrast to the enormous , ongoing efforts by multiple large players with eye-watering investments to make code generation bigger and better. Note, that this is not a statement about the fairness or morality of LLM building, but t…

this is "Kool-aid" from the supply side of LLMs for coding IMO. Plenty of people are plenty upset about the capture of code at Github corral, fed into BigCorp$ training systems. parent statement reminds me of smug French in a castle north of London circa 1200, with furious locals standing outside the gates, dressed in rags with farm tools as weapons. One well-equipped tower guard says to another "no one is seriously…

I think the comparison falls flat, but it's actually really funny. I'll keep it in mind.

Re: Mistral ships Le Chat – enterprise AI assistant that can run on prem

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post #93

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Sure there's evidence: Your statements about this when challenged. And perhaps to a degree the commit log, at least that can arouse suspicion. Sure, you can say "I'd just lie about it". But I don't know how many people would just casually lie in court. I sure wouldn't. Ethics is one thing, it takes a lot of guts, considering the possible repercussions.

"I do not recall"

Yup, Gates style would work. But billionaires have a tendency to not get into serious trouble for lying to the public, a court, congress and what not. Commoners very much do.
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