AfD classified as extreme-right by German intelligence

Post by int_19h » Sat, May 03, 2025, 2:29 AM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #53

thrance wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the second option. Should a party that promises to act extra-legally once they get into power be allowed to campaign? I think not, but it is not an easy question to answer. Europeans have been reminded of the dangers of right-wing populism with what's currently happening in America.

Oof. Not an easy question indeed. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy And yet... in the US at least, we have an avenue for that. Change the laws. The Constitution forbids what you want to do? You can change that, too. That's the route that you're supposed to take. If you won't, and you say so publicly , and the people are willing to vote for you a…

Post by int_19h » Sat, May 03, 2025, 2:34 AM UTC

alganet wrote: post #92

int_19h wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> neither fully right nor fully left. There's a reason why fascists and Nazis broadly refer to themselves as the "third position".

What is the reason?

Post by int_19h » Sat, May 03, 2025, 5:41 AM UTC

alganet wrote: post #94

int_19h wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because their ideology translates to a mix of traditionally left and traditionally right policies. Broadly speaking, it tends to be extreme right culturally and center-left economically. Nazi Germany, for example, had quite a few explicitly socialist programs such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_Through_Joy .

Can you be more specific about the quote you used before? Why do they call themselves "the third position"? Just doing follow-ups to try to understand you.

Post by TiredOfLife » Sat, May 03, 2025, 6:27 AM UTC

tharmas wrote: post #61

lostlogin wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding the AfD, ‘Senior members have been disgraced for playing down Nazi war crimes and accepting suspicious payments from Russia and China. There were calls to ban the party when it was reported party members were at a meeting of neo-Nazis where a “master plan” to expel millions of people from Germany was discussed, including asylum seekers, foreigners with residency rights and “unassimilated citizens”. The AfD…

>accepting suspicious payments from Russia Do you really think the Russians would ever support a Neo Nazi party after what happened in WW2? That's propaganda.

Post by int_19h » Sat, May 03, 2025, 9:05 AM UTC

alganet wrote: post #96

int_19h wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to give a TL;DR lecture on history when there are good sources for that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Position

What you said sounded like a bold claim. I just wanted to understand if you understand the implications of applying that label. I wanted to know if you understand the reason. I'm not gonna blindly fight based on a vague idea that history is repeating itself. Or should I? (rethorical). You seem like a very educated person with broad historical knowledge. Why use cheap accusations to put your ideas forward? (rethorical…