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Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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Really? A nice rational genocide or two? China is an expansionist dictatorship. It would be ridiculous to suggest it is more trustworthy than the US. The US is actually acting rationally IMO. People just look at headlines and do not dig into the reasons. You might not agree with the reasoning, but it is not irrational. For example the tariffs clearly follow from arguments made by Trump's appointees (such as Bessent a…

> China is an expansionist dictatorship. It would be ridiculous to suggest it is more trustworthy than the US. China never threatened to annex portions of EU countries, unlike the US. If anything, China is definitely more reliable, as its only disputes with EU are on trade, not anything ideological or that threatens the integrity of each party.

No, not EU countries, but they did annex Tibet, several islands in the South China Sea, and they have every intention of invading Taiwan in the future. Then there’s the belt and road initiative, which is essentially neocolonialism.

Edit: I also forgot to mention their human rights violations with regards to the Uyghurs and other minority groups.

Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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'massive' -- by which standards? It is high time we got used to companies being fined a reasonable fraction of their revenue. And TikTok's global revenue last year alone was estimated at $20 billion to $26 billion [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/17/technology/tiktok-ban-byt...

> 'massive' -- by which standards? Other fines? Going by amount, it seems somewhere in the top 20 of highest single case fines of all time. Top 3 if we just look at privacy fines in Europe. > It is high time we got used to companies being fined a reasonable fraction of their revenue How does "getting used to it" changes the classification? It's still a massive amount, even it such numbers are becoming more common. An…

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Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? A nice rational genocide or two? China is an expansionist dictatorship. It would be ridiculous to suggest it is more trustworthy than the US. The US is actually acting rationally IMO. People just look at headlines and do not dig into the reasons. You might not agree with the reasoning, but it is not irrational. For example the tariffs clearly follow from arguments made by Trump's appointees (such as Bessent a…

I happen to live in China right now and am using a VPN. I find your comments to be fundamentally incorrect. I live here more than 20 years and can't find any information about genocide, and I have a lot of (I suppose you are talking about) Xinjiang friends. Yes, there are extremists in Xinjiang with foreign funding. And The the government prepares extreme religious individuals for modern society. This process involve…

> I live here more than 20 years and can't find any information about genocide

China’s persecution of the Uyghur people is considered by many to cross the line into genocide…

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chin...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/china-guilty-genocide-cri...

https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/countries/china/ch...

Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

#95

Not enough. A fine is just a price for people's private data. Companies should never be allowed to transfer private data of citizens to authoritarian countries and should be de-registered and banned from accessing the free world in such case.

I agree but over half a billion euros is quite the price, if the price is high enough it won't be viable to break the laws.

Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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'massive' -- by which standards? It is high time we got used to companies being fined a reasonable fraction of their revenue. And TikTok's global revenue last year alone was estimated at $20 billion to $26 billion [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/17/technology/tiktok-ban-byt...

What bearing does their global revenue have on what Ireland has any jurisdiction to fine them? I'm not a fan or user of TikTok, but what they earn on other continents is none of Ireland's business.

Why not? A country can, for the most part, set whatever level of fines they want within law. You can make an argument about the practicality of any given punishment but that's separate from the morality (which, from the tone of your comment, I assume is where you're coming from).

Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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Do you know if there is a reason they would not domicile in Malta? It's an EU Member State, English speaking, and if buying off politicians in Ireland is easy, it must be easier in Malta with a population of only 550,000 people.

My guess is just physical/lazy reasons. Before this, they were homed in the UK, whose special arrangements meant that they could avoid a lot of EU regulations that way. Then Brexit happened and they just moved to the nearest available option.

I'm pretty sure Ireland was home to a lot of global corporations EU headquarters way before brexit...

Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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There’s a lot of frustration and cynicism in this thread, but I suspect some misunderstandings might be fuelling it. First off, Ireland is part of the EU, and under GDPR’s 'one-stop-shop' system, the country where a company has its EU headquarters in Ireland, in the case of many tech giants it takes the lead on enforcement for the entire EU. So when Ireland’s regulator fines a company under GDPR, they’re essentially doing it on behalf of the whole EU, it’s not just Ireland acting alone.

GDPR fines can be very significant, the rules allow penalties either as a percentage of a company’s global revenue or as a large fixed amount whichever is higher. This ensures even the biggest companies feel the impact. Plus, these fines are public and transparent. Every big fine is announced and reported, which means there’s a reputational hit alongside the financial one. That publicity is intentional: it adds pressure on companies to improve, making the fines a real deterrent rather than just a quiet cost of doing business.

It’s also worth clarifying where the fine money goes. It doesn’t just line Ireland’s pockets. In practice, the money goes into the EU budget. If Ireland collects a hefty fine, that amount is basically offset against what Ireland would normally contribute to the EU budget. If people in other EU countries were affected by the violation, those countries can request a portion of the fine as well. In short, Ireland isn’t profiting solo from these fines, it’s just the point of collection because that’s where the companies are based.

Interestingly, some comments here call the fines 'insane' (too harsh) while others say they’re 'a slap on the wrist' (too lenient). That contradiction highlights the misconceptions around GDPR fines. In reality, these penalties are meant to be serious enough to matter, but proportionate to a company’s size and the offence. They’re not intended to destroy a business, but they’re definitely not nothing either, they serve as a real consequence to encourage companies to respect people’s privacy.

Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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'massive' -- by which standards? It is high time we got used to companies being fined a reasonable fraction of their revenue. And TikTok's global revenue last year alone was estimated at $20 billion to $26 billion [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/17/technology/tiktok-ban-byt...

You think TikTok cares about money? They're a propaganda arm. They don't give a shit about profitability.
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