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Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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Post by bigyabai »

cantrecallmypwd wrote: post #78
bigyabai wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently some accounts can have their edit window muzzled if a moderator chooses to. I have a reduced 10 minute edit window that was applied to my account without notice or explanation, it's fully possible that you might have one too.

[flagged]

I mean, it's hard for me to act like I really care. If I wanted to piss and moan about the topic du-jour I'd make a new account and wait 2 weeks. HN only censors you if you're too vain to abandon your 500 karma profile to start a new one up.

The lapse of communication is what bothers me, and I suppose it's because the moderators know they can't justify the punishment. Preventing someone from protecting their posterity is a pretty selfishly punitive measure, even if you think they abused the edit feature (somehow). It also doesn't prevent future abuse, doesn't communicate how the user can improve and therefore results in a worse community than just banning then and flagging their comments. I don't understand what the purpose of edit restrictions are in their current form, and clearly other users don't either.

It's really my fault, for coming to Hacker News and expecting to be owed anything. I should have known better than to openly criticize the tech industry on PG's own stomping grounds.

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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Post by nojs »

unfunco wrote: post #87
nojs wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re in a difficult position because half their users want more AI but the other half complain loudly when it’s forced on them. Cursor is beating them because they can deeply embed AI everywhere without worrying about this.

That's not a difficult position at all, just make it an opt-in feature.

That’s what they’re evidently trying to do, but it means they’re moving too slow and the AI integration feels like a bolted on afterthought (hence the reaction to failed features like this).

I am a lifetime user of PyCharm but the reality is that Cursor is just so much more productive now. “Junie” is a decent attempt but nowhere close to Cursor yet.

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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Post by [deleted] »

ycombinatrix wrote: post #85
cle wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They have much superior product compared to VSCode in terms of pretty much everything, except AI Disagree, I keep trying Jetbrains once in a while and keep walking away disappointed (used to be a hardcore user). I use VS Code bc it is seamlessly polyglot. Jetbrains wants me to launch a whole separate IDE for different use cases, which is just horrible UX for me. Why would I pay hundreds for a worse UX?

I use IntelliJ for all languages at work.

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Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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Post by [deleted] »

rileymichael wrote: post #79
cle wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They have much superior product compared to VSCode in terms of pretty much everything, except AI Disagree, I keep trying Jetbrains once in a while and keep walking away disappointed (used to be a hardcore user). I use VS Code bc it is seamlessly polyglot. Jetbrains wants me to launch a whole separate IDE for different use cases, which is just horrible UX for me. Why would I pay hundreds for a worse UX?

you can install nearly all of their supported language plugins in your editor fyi. you just lose some of the language specific integrations if you use the python plugin via intellij for example.

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Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

thegrim33 wrote: post #41
zer0-c00l wrote: post #11

I love JetBrains and hate vscode, but Cursor was such a huge productivity boost that I ended up switching. Unfortunately none of the JetBrains plugins (Junie, the older AI Assistant, Windsurf/codeium, etc) come close yet :(

After hearing so much about Cursor, and then reading your comment, I decided to give it a try. Here's my honest, first ever time trying to use it: - I go to its website and neither on the homepage nor the features tab does it bother listing what languages the IDE is even for. Is it Python? C? HTML? It's an IDE .. for what? What languages? What project types? How can they not list this basic fact? - Oh well, click the…

It's a VSCode fork that ships in a single file executable on all platforms. It's almost identical to (one of?) the most used IDEs in the industry

Half of your bullet points above are you being intentionally obtuse to be grumpy in this comment.

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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Post by chii »

zamalek wrote: post #74
ziddoap wrote: post #5

> a JetBrains employee said that reviews were removed because they mentioned issues that had since been solved That shouldn't be considered a valid reason to remove a review. I could maybe understand down-weighting reviews as they age and as issues are resolved, but as a potential buyer of some product/service/whatever, knowing that something was released with a bunch of issues (even if now solved) is a valuable sign…

They should attach a YouTrack issues to reviews, which would automatically show that the issue has been fixed. Their YouTrack integration is pretty deep elsewhere. Still doesn't solve the problem of the average score, though.

if the youtrack issue linked is fixed, it's also possible for the average score to get updated to weight those reviews lower.

But this needs to be transparent - hidden average score manipulation just leads to distrust in those scores.

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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Post by dzhiurgis »

nojs wrote: post #92
unfunco wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a difficult position at all, just make it an opt-in feature.

That’s what they’re evidently trying to do, but it means they’re moving too slow and the AI integration feels like a bolted on afterthought (hence the reaction to failed features like this). I am a lifetime user of PyCharm but the reality is that Cursor is just so much more productive now. “Junie” is a decent attempt but nowhere close to Cursor yet.

As someone who used cloud-code (ridiculously expensive) and Junie (I am so happy with it) - what do I miss from Cursor?

Re: JetBrains defends removal of negative reviews for unpopular AI Assistant

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Post by exitb »

azemetre wrote: post #68
Thaxll wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being fast is not enough in 2025.

Yes it is, VSCode is so painfully slow. Maybe I have Vim brain rot but the input latency in VSCode is extremely noticeable and there's the whole having to use a mouse for proficiency that slows you down too. I'd pay decent money for an editor that could be faster than Neovim but until then they get my yearly donation. There's so much that can be gained solely on speed alone. Especially for JetBrains products here too…

Sublime Text is in the business of being fast.
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