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Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by SteveNuts »

bob1029 wrote: post #23
xyzzy123 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

S3 or glacier? Glacier is cost competitive with local disk but not very practical for the sorts of things people usually need lots of local disk for (media & disk images). Interested in how you use this! 20TB which u can keep in a 2-bay cute little nas will cost you $4k USD / year on S3 infrequent access tier in APAC (where I am). So "payback time" of local hardware is just 6 months vs S3 IA. That's before you pay fo…

> S3 or glacier This is the same product. > 20TB I think we might be pushing the 1% case here. Just because we can shove 20TB of data into a cute little nas does not mean we should. For me, knowledge that the data will definitely be there is way more important than having "free" access to a large pool of bytes.

> knowledge that the data will definitely be there is way more important than having "free" access to a large pool of bytes

Until Amazon inexplicably deletes your AWS account because your Amazon.com account had an expired credit card and was trying and failing to renew a subscription.

Ask me how I know

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by ryao »

Kirby64 wrote: post #40
nichos wrote: post #39

I wish 1 or more HD manufacturers would get together and sell a NAS that runs TrueNAS on it. Or even an existing NAS manufacturer (UGreen, etc) All these NAS manufacturers a spending time developing their own OS, when TrueNAS is well established.

TrueNAS isn’t nearly friendly enough for the average user. HexOS may fit that bill, although it seems rather immature. It runs on top of TrueNAS.

My doctor was able to switch from Synology to TrueNAS after I advised him to replace his failing Synology NAS with a TrueNAS box and I gave him a link to the TrueNAS documentation. He is fairly average in my opinion.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by GeertJohan »

chme wrote: post #76
disambiguation wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP but TrueNAS is a good alternative - both the software and their all in one NAS builds. I have an unraid on a usb stick somewhere in my rack, but overtime it started feeling limited, and when they began changing their license structure I decided it was time to switch, though I run it on a Dell r720xd instead of one of their builds (my only complaint is the fan noise - i think 730 and up are better in this regar…

I also have a TrueNAS, but because of its limitations (read-only root file system), I came to the conclusion that, if I ever need to reinstall it, I would switch to Proxmox and install TrueNAS as one virtual client, next the other clients for my home lab. I have found workarounds for the read-only root file system. But they aren't great. I have installed Gentoo with a prefix inside the home directory, which provides…

I use TrueNAS Scale as root OS and have it run a Linux VM, which is easily done via their 'Virtualization' feature. No need for Proxmox. Afaik it works a lot better to give zfs direct access to underlying hdds. TrueNAS also has an 'Apps' feature, which are basically glorified helm chart installs on k3s that TrueNAS installs for you. But I prefer more control so I have k8s on the Linux VM. Whats also great is that the k8s on the Linux VM can use the TrueNAS storage via democratic-csi.

https://github.com/democratic-csi/democratic-csi

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by emmelaich »

I have some sympathy for this. With the disasters of the WD 'Green' series and the recent revelations on how used disks were being sold for new. Synology doesn't want to be lumped with other companies problems.

They really have to sell it by minimising the price differential and reducing the lead time.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

#96

Post by j45 »

Renaud wrote: post #90

Synology isn't about the NAS hardware and OS. Once setup, it doesn't really matter as long as your config is reliable and fast, so there are many competitive options to move to. The killer feature for me is the app ecosystem. I have a very old 8-bay Synology NAS and have it setup in just a few clicks to backup my dropbox, my MS365 accounts, my Google business accounts, do redundant backup to external drive, backup im…

Other manufacturers like Qnap also have this app ecosystem.

It doesn’t address the mandatory nature of drives when at most dell and hp have put their part number on drives for the most part.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

#97

Post by romanhn »

kotaKat wrote: post #16

I'm going to buck the nerds and say I wish Drobo was back. I love my 5N, but had to retire it as it began to develop Type B Sudden Drobo Death Syndrome* and switch out to QNAP. It was simple, it just worked, and I didn't have to think about it. * TB SDDS - a multi-type phenomenon of Drobo units suddenly failing. There were three 'types' of SDDS I and a colleague discovered - "Type A" power management IC failures, "Ty…

My 2nd generation Drobo that I got back in 2008 is still chugging along. Haven't had to replace a hard drive in 10-12 years either. I love it even though it's super slow by today's standards. Been meaning to retire it for years, but it's been so rock solid I rarely have to think about it.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

#98

Post by Hamuko »

bob1029 wrote: post #23
xyzzy123 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

S3 or glacier? Glacier is cost competitive with local disk but not very practical for the sorts of things people usually need lots of local disk for (media & disk images). Interested in how you use this! 20TB which u can keep in a 2-bay cute little nas will cost you $4k USD / year on S3 infrequent access tier in APAC (where I am). So "payback time" of local hardware is just 6 months vs S3 IA. That's before you pay fo…

> S3 or glacier This is the same product. > 20TB I think we might be pushing the 1% case here. Just because we can shove 20TB of data into a cute little nas does not mean we should. For me, knowledge that the data will definitely be there is way more important than having "free" access to a large pool of bytes.

>This is the same product.

Confusingly "Glacier" is both its own product, which stores data in "vaults", and a family of storage tiers on Amazon S3, which stores data in "buckets". I think Glacier the product is deprecated though, since accessing the Glacier dashboard immediately recommends using Glacier the S3 storage tiers instead.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

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Post by 1oooqooq »

gambiting wrote: post #82
kyrofa wrote: post #70

> When a drive fails, one of the key factors in data security is how fast an array can be rebuilt into a healthy status. Of course, Amazon is just one vendor, but they have the distribution to do same-day and early morning overnight parts to a large portion of the US. Even overnighting a drive that arrives by noon from another vendor would be slower to arrive than two of the four other options at Amazon. In a way thi…

>>You should have spare drives on hand. I've never heard of anyone doing that for a home nas. I have one and I don't keep spare drives purely because it's hard to justify the expense.

always run the previous drive gen space.

i budget 300usd each, for 2 or 3 drivers. that is always the sweet spot since forever. get the largest enterprise model for exactly that price.

that was 2tb 10yrs ago. 10tb 5yrs ago.

so 5yrs ago i rebuilt storage on those 10tb drivers but only using 2tb volumes (coulda be 5, but i was still keeping the last gen size as data haven't grow), now my old drivers are spares/monthly off-machine copies. i used one when getting a warranty for a failed new 10tb one btw.

now i can get 20tb drivers for that price, i will probably still only increase the volumes to 10tb at most and have two spares.

Re: Synology Lost the Plot with Hard Drive Locking Move

#100

Post by [deleted] »

CobaltFire wrote: post #28
joshstrange wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have some examples of the superior customer hardware options? I currently use 2x12 bay Synology NAS and one of my favorite parts of it is the hardware, the easy access to the hotswap hard drives. If I could get that form factor, but with a custom NAS software solution, I’d be very interested.

I run a Sliger 3701 [0] with an ASRock Rack Ryzen motherboard (choose B650D4U or X570D4U to suit) using TrueNAS Scale. This replaced my old FreeNAS Atom C2000 setup that ran for over a decade with zero issues. Add in a Mikrotik CCR2004-1G-2XS-PCIE [1] for high speed networking. Choose your own HBA. 0: https://www.sliger.com/products/rackmount/storage/cx3701/ 1: https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_2xs_pcie

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