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Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by RichardLake »

maronato wrote: post #31
C4stor wrote: post #9

The "fair use" part takes a lot of place in this article. It talks a lot about what happens if you use more tokens than what you're allowed, but curiously doesn't pip a word about what happens if you use less - for example maybe with a partial rebate on your next billing cycle ? I think "fair" should mean "fair for all parties involved", currently it's rather a "we don't want to incur any risk" policy, since I don't…

It’s the exact opposite. They are incurring a huge amount of risk with this. 6 hours ago most users didn’t have access to this feature at all. Now we have $4-8 of raw token credits a month to use on a well-built feature. I’m paying $9 a month with the annual subscription, and it was worth it just for Search. Now they’re giving me $17 worth of value for the same price. Their margins must be razor thin, and they’re onl…

The other point of view is that they are now forcing users to pay for both search and AI, even if they do not want to use or fund the development of the later. You used to be paying 9$ for search, now you are paying 9$ - x for search and an unknown amount for AI.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by eitland »

dawnerd wrote: post #75
maronato wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s the exact opposite. They are incurring a huge amount of risk with this. 6 hours ago most users didn’t have access to this feature at all. Now we have $4-8 of raw token credits a month to use on a well-built feature. I’m paying $9 a month with the annual subscription, and it was worth it just for Search. Now they’re giving me $17 worth of value for the same price. Their margins must be razor thin, and they’re onl…

Probably a lot of subscribers that will never use it, like myself.

For myself at least I agreed to the original price.

If more features are added and I don't use the but other people do, as long as the features I pay for stays, I'm happy.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by eitland »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #77
jen729w wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an existing happy subscriber to Kagi, this statement is illogical. I currently pay for x. Soon I’ll get x + y for the same money. That’s better.

I am also an existing happy subscriber to Kagi. I currently pay for unlimited X. Now I pay for limited X, where I can't even see if I'm approaching limits or not. Anyway, my main point is that I'm getting LESS for the same money.

Search isn't getting limited is it?

And the GPT features always had some limits.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by RadiozRadioz »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #73
colonial wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Revenue != profit. Discord, like almost every 2010s SaaS startup, has revenue (from your Nitro) - but not nearly enough to cover expenses.

They are profitable And besides my point was that it's pretty clear what their monetization is and that it's not some mystery

> They are profitable

Citation needed. With this type of company and business model, it's highly unusual to be profitable, so the burden of proof is on those who say it is.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

louthy wrote: post #81
baobabKoodaa wrote: post #79

I don't like how this was rolled out. I'm currently paying for "Unlimited Kagi Assistant" and the Kagi website STILL advertises "Unlimited Kagi Assistant". And they stealthily rolled in limits? I pay the same amount, but it's no longer unlimited, and I only know about this because I happened to notice it on HN. Otherwise I would only know after hitting a limit.

Fair-use limitations were always there. It sounds like they weren't actively enforcing it, but now they are because of some problem users. I don't think anything has changed for you unless you're one of the users this refers to: Q: Why did Kagi start enforcing the fair use policy? A: The policy was enforced due to excessive use. For instance, the top 10 users accounted for approximately 14% of the total costs, with s…

I have no idea if I will be limited or not. I can see I have about 3 million tokens used per month. But I don't know where the limits are.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by hobofan »

msdz wrote: post #50
qwertox wrote: post #45

I was given a free month of Kagi to test, and it had so many rough edges that during the last days of of the trial I was already using Google again. Notable issues for me: - maps (from Mapbox) are really bad. Sluggish performance and lack of information - barely any info boxes - no translation feature ("gründonnerstag englisch") gives me links to leo.org (which was a cool site in the 00s) and to other sites, but Goog…

While I'm aware this is a case of "you're holding it wrong" – !translate should do the trick. And that's not an excuse for not having better detection for when an info box should exist, because they do have them, especially for, but not limited to the WolframAlpha integration stuff. (For example, a friend and fellow user was awed when searching "internet speed test" and saw it integrated, no idea if Google has that t…

> make sure your region/locale is set correctly

Last time I checked (which admitedly has been a few months, but I haven't seen anything in the changelog/announcements that make me belive things got better), that's not a viable option.

I always keep it as "International" (luckily that's an option!), as setting it to "German" significantly degrades the results as for e.g. technical topics it will rank many rubish German results higher than they should be. Google still has a significant edge in getting the distinction right between regional and technical expertise and how they relate to language.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by eitland »

TekMol wrote: post #68
mjamesaustin wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the other search engines offer no privacy and relentlessly track everything you do across the internet?

How do you know they do that? And how do you know Kagi does not? Whatever the engines secretly do, why would I use one where on top of that I have to actively tag every one of my searches with my email?

> How do you know they do that?

Because it has been widely discussed for years.

> And how do you know Kagi does not?

Because the source code of that feature is open and you can look into it I guess

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by jddj »

jeffhuys wrote: post #66
viraptor wrote: post #2

If the staff sees this - please stop preventing zoom. Not only is that bad for accessibility, it makes the article less useful for everyone - there's a screenshot included showing off the feature, but it's too small to read on the phone and I can't zoom in.

What browser prevents this actually? None of the browsers (even mobile) I just quickly tested just... worked? No extensions.

I think Safari just outright ignores the maximum-scale property.
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