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Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

#91

I suspect the endgame of this campaign is to have mandatory ID checks for social media. Police would have access to these upon court orders etc and be able to easily prosecute anyone who posts 'harmful' content online.

I'm afraid the endgame is, all this activity tied to real identities will be repeatedly leaked, get used for blackmail, and by foreign intelligence agencies.

Followed by governments basically shrugging.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

#92

It's interesting how the "features" which many claim IRC is missing turn out to be a huge liability. Adult content is applied via image hosting, video/audio chat, etc. All things IRC lacks.

> All things IRC lacks.

IRC gives you all the features of a normal client but you've got to create them yourself which itself is a dark-art that's been squandered by today's gimmicky services.

Just because it doesn't have a fancy UI to present the media doesn't mean it can't.

Encode to base64 and post in channel. Decode it back to normal format... IRC is excellent for large amounts of stringed text.

You could even stream the movie in base64 and have a client that captures the data stream and decodes.

The only thing that IRC lacks is a feature to recall conversations where if someone isn't present. But if you're someone who needs that host a bouncer or something.

I personally enjoy entering a blank slate.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

#93

I suspect the endgame of this campaign is to have mandatory ID checks for social media. Police would have access to these upon court orders etc and be able to easily prosecute anyone who posts 'harmful' content online.

You need to ask what would Trump do. Court order probably skipped, or from a friendly judge.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

#94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ultimately, i think the endgame is to require government ID in order to access internet services in general, a la ender's game.

Many countries (including in the EU) already required ID to use a SIM card: https://forestvpn.com/blog/news/countries-sim-card-registrat... Funnily enough, when the Philippines did this, it was decried as a violation of human rights [1]. But usually, media are so silent on such things I'd call them complicit. One already cannot so much as rent a hotel room anywhere in the EU without showing government ID. [1] https:/…

Not only rent, but in Spain there is a central database where your details are sucked in real time when you rent a room or a car, and no oversight how this data is used.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

#95
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So, what will be the proper technology to apply here? I have no problem with verification of my age (not the date of birth, just the boolean, >18yo), but I do have a problem with sending any party a picture of my face or my passport.

Discord got me to do this about 2 weeks ago (I'm Australian so they seem to be rolling this out here too), at least for the face scan the privacy policy said it occurred on device, so if you believe that you're not sending anyone images of your face.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ultimately, i think the endgame is to require government ID in order to access internet services in general, a la ender's game.

Please walk me from scratch how you would access the internet on your own right now without any form of Government ID

Walk into a coffee shop. Look at the wifi password, usually a sign near the register. Log onto the wifi network using the wifi password. Browse in peace.

Is this sort of flow normal elsewhere? It's certainly normal where I live.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

#97
A book recommendation on the topic:

> This is the first book to examine the growth and phenomenon of a securitized and criminalized compliance society which relies increasingly on intelligence-led and predictive technologies to control future risks, crimes, and security threats. It articulates the emergence of a ‘compliance-industrial complex’ that synthesizes regulatory capitalism and surveillance capitalism to impose new regimes of power and control, as well as new forms of subjectivity subservient to the ‘operating system’ of a pre-crime society.

https://www.amazon.com/Compliance-Industrial-Complex-Operati...

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

#98
Frankly I'm scared by governments and corporations going "papers, please" for people to be allowed to access the Internet. On top of endangering privacy by tying pseudonymous online interactions to real-life ID and biometrics, attempts to block under-18 people from finding information or interacting online will only amplify how society regards them as not having rights. This will isolate people (especially gay and trans teens) living with abusive parents from finding support networks, and prevent them from learning (by talking to friends in different situations) that being beaten or emotionally put down by parents is abusive and traumatizing.

I know all too well that when you grow up you're psychologically wired to assume that the way the parents treated you is normal, and if they harmed you then you deserve to be hurt. I've made friends with and assisted many teens and young adults in unsafe living situations (and talked to people who grew up in fundamentalist religions and cults), and they're dependent on online support networks to recognize and cope with abuse, get advice, and seek help in dangerous situations.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's just nonsense you invented because you were unwilling to do any research. The actual situation was that the board refused classification where an adult was intentionally pretending to be an underage child not that they looked like one.

I added an edit to correct myself however this was not something I invented. This story goes back to 09 - 2010. I will confess I didn't do any research to confirm though and that was my bad.

FWIW, I can confirm that user 9283409232 didn't make that up. I heard that multiple reputable places, years ago.

And it was believable, given a history of genuine but inept attempts by some to address real societal problems. (As well as given the history of fake attempts to solve problems for political points for "doing something". And also given the history of "won't someone think of the children" disingenuous pretexts often used by others to advance unrelated goals.) Basically, no one is surprised when many governments do something that seems nonsensical.

So, accusing someone of making up a story of a government doing something odd in this space might be hasty.

I suspect better would be to give a quick check and then "I couldn't find a reference to that; do you have a link?"

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ultimately, i think the endgame is to require government ID in order to access internet services in general, a la ender's game.

Please walk me from scratch how you would access the internet on your own right now without any form of Government ID

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