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ICE Agents Realize They Arrested Wrong Teen, Say 'Take Him Anyway'

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Re: ICE Agents Realize They Arrested Wrong Teen, Say 'Take Him Anyway'

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> Non-citizens may or may not actually legally merit due process, and to whatever degree they might, they only merit it while "within" the "jurisdiction" of the US. And as far as I can tell, that 'grey area' of how the 14th amendment is read, I missed that bit about the 14th amendment. This has nothing to do with the 14th amendment. The 14th amendment argument is about who gets ius soli citizenship (what they call "b…

> nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law ; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. The question is whether an illegal immigrant even has access to due process, according to a strict legal reading of the law. This was one of the arguments being thrown around - whether or not "any person" in the above applies to illegal i…

Did you read the 4th circuit opinion?

The Government may not rely on its own failure to circumvent its own ruling that Abrego Garcia could not be removed to El Salvador. More importantly, the Government cannot be permitted to ignore the Fifth Amendment, deny due process of law, and remove anyone it wants, simply because it claims the victims of its lawlessness are members of a gang. Nor can the Government be permitted to disclaim any ability to return those it has wrongfully removed by citing their physical presence in a foreign jurisdiction.

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/ab...

>That's why all they could say was 'facilitate', and why they had to slap the lower judge's wrist.

That's an incomprehensible interpretation of what the Supreme Court actually wrote:

The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court’s authority.

Re: ICE Agents Realize They Arrested Wrong Teen, Say 'Take Him Anyway'

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post #78

Is the US legit fascist now?

Not yet, given that we can have this conversation out in the open.

... You realize this story is flagged, right? And I would bet you anything you like that it's being suppressed across Twitter, Facebook and other large sites.

Re: ICE Agents Realize They Arrested Wrong Teen, Say 'Take Him Anyway'

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not yet, given that we can have this conversation out in the open.

... You realize this story is flagged, right? And I would bet you anything you like that it's being suppressed across Twitter, Facebook and other large sites.

The story is flagged by the users. But still visible and you can comment on it.

In a fascist society, it is a crime to post such things or discuss them the way we do, and the penalties are severe. Look at what happens in Russia today to people who post content critical of war in Ukraine on their social media.

Re: ICE Agents Realize They Arrested Wrong Teen, Say 'Take Him Anyway'

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... You realize this story is flagged, right? And I would bet you anything you like that it's being suppressed across Twitter, Facebook and other large sites.

The story is flagged by the users. But still visible and you can comment on it. In a fascist society, it is a crime to post such things or discuss them the way we do, and the penalties are severe. Look at what happens in Russia today to people who post content critical of war in Ukraine on their social media.

What an odd distinction to make while US residents are being deported for writing editorials, or attending peaceful protests; years after citizens were exiled and tortured for exposing war crimes and massive domestic crimes; while US arms are used to massacre journalists at a rate unprecedented in human history; etc.

The admin is now trying to treat people who support Constitutional Amendments as terrorists: https://old.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1k11wg4/trumps_counter...

And your argument is: 'Well we can have flagged HN stories so we're not fascist?'; am I understanding that right?

Here's a helpful tool btw: https://www.realtimefascism.com/

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