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I lived in Finland for a couple years. Finns, like the Moomins, are whimsical yet profound, like midsummer’s fleeting joy before the long winter. They mirror Finland’s love of nature and quiet isolation, with their cozy valley echoing the Finns forest cabins by a lake. The happy vibe hides struggles—tough winters, heavy drinking—but the Moomins’ warmth reflects the Finns’ wholesome character.
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> It was cute, it was happy Many episodes had darker undertones as well, especially those with the Groke[1] or hattifatteners. Tvtropes has a list[2]. > The Groke was so horrifying in fact, that in Poland it caused a nation-wide fear in almost all children, some of which were even left traumatised for years, leading to some parents forbidding their children from watching Moomins, and some using the Groke as a Bogeyma…
This is extremely exaggerated. The Groke is more of a meme here than some sort of night terror. Sure it had an impact and was memorable but there was no wave of traumatized kids spawned by it.
There are many more accounts of that:
> The Groke has been widely considered one of the creepiest characters in fiction by many people and even by a study. In late 90's and early 2000's, when the 90's anime series - which is considered by many to have the scariest portrayal of the Groke in it - premiered in Poland, the Groke - known in Poland as Buka - caused a panic amongst Polish children. The Groke had different sounds - deep, eerie cold howls and moans preformed by voice actor Andrzej Bogusz. This, mixed with the darker colouring of the episodes (a trait shared with Finnish episodes and some other airings) and the fact that the Moomins were mostly played at night, in the Wieczorynka programming block caused the Groke to be widely considered one of the scariest childhood characters in Poland, both by 90's and early 2000's kids.
> Many children were horrified by her, were scared to go to sleep because of her, having dreams of her chasing them or turning into the Groke (some examples of such dreams could be found on the myslalemże.pl portal before it got shut down around early 2010's). The defunct portal Grono.net even had an Anti-Groke forum called ANTY-BUKA, where people would share their childhood stories about the Groke.
https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/The_Groke
And even first person:
> [google translate] How is it possible that a dark, buzzing figure can scare small children? Hey, I can't. As a child I was very afraid of it. Now I don't know why. When I talk to my peers (15 years old) they say they were afraid too. Why?
https://www.filmweb.pl/serial/Muminki-1990-119826/discussion...
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Light hearted? Suitable for small children? Are you kidding me. I'm in my mid-30's and still remember nightmares those stupid series gave me when I was in kindergarten. It was X-Files-tier scary ("The X Files" being other show aired by polish TV around same time), masquarading behind cute animations. How can anyone in their right mind call the episode where the Moomintroll swaps bodies with Stinky lighthearted and po…
i wonder what you'd think about Brothers Grimm's tales :) And in general children folk tales in many countries do contain strong violence, cruelty, torture, etc. if you'd focus on those details.
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Light hearted? Suitable for small children? Are you kidding me. I'm in my mid-30's and still remember nightmares those stupid series gave me when I was in kindergarten. It was X-Files-tier scary ("The X Files" being other show aired by polish TV around same time), masquarading behind cute animations. How can anyone in their right mind call the episode where the Moomintroll swaps bodies with Stinky lighthearted and po…
You created another account just to write how you hate moomins? Dude chill out. Anyway, the fact that you did that and still remembering it after all those years proves how extra ordinary this work was.
I respectfully disagree with the line of reasoning where "traumatizing" is equalled with "extraordinary".
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This is extremely exaggerated. The Groke is more of a meme here than some sort of night terror. Sure it had an impact and was memorable but there was no wave of traumatized kids spawned by it.
Maybe you watched a different cartoon, were not in that age group - or forgot? There are many more accounts of that: > The Groke has been widely considered one of the creepiest characters in fiction by many people and even by a study. In late 90's and early 2000's, when the 90's anime series - which is considered by many to have the scariest portrayal of the Groke in it - premiered in Poland, the Groke - known in Pol…
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You created another account just to write how you hate moomins? Dude chill out. Anyway, the fact that you did that and still remembering it after all those years proves how extra ordinary this work was.
Yes, I did, and I see nothing wrong with venting about this particular piece of culture. I respectfully disagree with the line of reasoning where "traumatizing" is equalled with "extraordinary".
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You created another account just to write how you hate moomins? Dude chill out. Anyway, the fact that you did that and still remembering it after all those years proves how extra ordinary this work was.
Yes, I did, and I see nothing wrong with venting about this particular piece of culture. I respectfully disagree with the line of reasoning where "traumatizing" is equalled with "extraordinary".
I just wanted to point out that the lengths you are willing to go through just to write 'I hate moomins' proves that it is extraordinary.
And remember that not everything is for everybody. If you do not like it, fine!
Just think about how traumatizing it was without depicting a violence or sex, achieving that with cute animation... Yes it is an extraordinary feat.
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Maybe you watched a different cartoon, were not in that age group - or forgot? There are many more accounts of that: > The Groke has been widely considered one of the creepiest characters in fiction by many people and even by a study. In late 90's and early 2000's, when the 90's anime series - which is considered by many to have the scariest portrayal of the Groke in it - premiered in Poland, the Groke - known in Pol…
The filmweb discussion comment pointedly notes the author is not afraid of it now, and doesn't get why it was scary then. Several other comments also point out she looked lonely and less scary than the hattifnattar. Hardly the all-traumatizing experience.
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i wonder what you'd think about Brothers Grimm's tales :) And in general children folk tales in many countries do contain strong violence, cruelty, torture, etc. if you'd focus on those details.
A lot of those stories try to teach children that going alone into the woods is a very bad idea. You have to read them in the historic context; don’t think they’re particularly suitable for modern children.
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> It was cute, it was happy Many episodes had darker undertones as well, especially those with the Groke[1] or hattifatteners. Tvtropes has a list[2]. > The Groke was so horrifying in fact, that in Poland it caused a nation-wide fear in almost all children, some of which were even left traumatised for years, leading to some parents forbidding their children from watching Moomins, and some using the Groke as a Bogeyma…
This is extremely exaggerated. The Groke is more of a meme here than some sort of night terror. Sure it had an impact and was memorable but there was no wave of traumatized kids spawned by it.
Well I certainly had nightmares about that...