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Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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We could solve this problem in a few years with technology if we really wanted to.

Not without pain, nope. Reality is the world’s rich are the culprits. If they stop consuming problem solved. No amount of angry downvotes will change this basic fact. People will learn to live modestly, voluntarily or by force.

Net zero will come. Whether by collapse or by us shaving the wasteful excess. Excess being the leeches who don't pay taxes or follow rules.

Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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There is an ancient text that predicts every body of water becoming like blood. There is an algae that flourishes in warm water that almost solidifies water into a reddish goop. That goop is much like blood. We, society, are making this happen. And, it’s happening at a prodigious rate. The earth’s cooling mechanisms rely upon these bodies of water. The warmer the water the greater the chances of these algal blooms. Y…

This?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmful_algal_bloom?wprov=sfti...

Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not without pain, nope. Reality is the world’s rich are the culprits. If they stop consuming problem solved. No amount of angry downvotes will change this basic fact. People will learn to live modestly, voluntarily or by force.

Net zero will come. Whether by collapse or by us shaving the wasteful excess. Excess being the leeches who don't pay taxes or follow rules.

The issue isn’t taxes. The world’s rich (top 25%) pay virtually all the taxes already but contribute to also virtually all the emissions.

You are right though, there will be a correction.

Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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Wait, doesn't that mean less greenhouse effect?

No, greenhouse effect is mostly controlled by CO2, although water vapor plays a role. But clouds mostly act to reflect sunlight back to space, so fewer clouds will mean more warming, not less.

Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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I don't necessarily agree with GP's comment but they do have a valid point. > We could solve this problem in a few years with technology if we really wanted to. Everybody wants to solve the problem with technology. What if, the solution is just plain old hard work like planting trees, conservation, better recycling, better laws that help in saving ecosystem. But who would do that. So let's keep on creating problems w…

What technology specifically has caused the clouds to shrink?

Anything that facilitates or requires extracting carbon from the ground: Coal plants, petrol engines, cars, airplanes, mass production, modern agriculture processes.

The only way to stop global warming is to stop extracting carbon from the ground, where it's stored. After that we can think about capturing carbon. But first if all we need to stop pumping it into the atmosphere at a faster rate than the earth can absorb it (about 40% is absorbed at the moment, 60% of all human carbon use is added to the atmosphere).

Re: Earth's clouds are shrinking, boosting global warming

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Oh dear, that does not sound very promising. Seems like the simulation results mentioned in this article might not be so outlandish, and rather a relevant potential worst-case scenario projection: https://www.quantamagazine.org/cloud-loss-could-add-8-degree...

We are going to need geoengineering solutions to manage solar radiation, and we are going to need to deploy them relatively soon. I don’t know if this will undo the cloud effects, but there’s no more time for screwing around.

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