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Re: Oracle attempt to hide cybersecurity incident from customers?

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Post by bigiain »

LPisGood wrote: post #83
_fat_santa wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've started seeing ads for Oracle OCI in some podcasts I listen to so I think they are starting to see if they can attract customers outside of their "enterprise sales process". I'm not sure who those ads are supposed to appeal to besides the podcasts hosts raking in the ad dollars.

>”enterprise sales process” I’m sorry, is Oracle known to be some super sleazy sales org that plys enterprise decision makers with strippers and cocktails, and drugs?

I have absolutely no idea if you are being facetious or naive there.

Yes. Oracle is absolutely the tech vendor that's going to be dropped on the engineering team with zero input and no consideration for whether it fits the problems they have, after your CTO spends a a few days on the golf course and high end steak restaurants and, depending on how much money their enterprise sales team thinks they have, either high class escorts or sleazy strip joints. Given how common that story (or one very like it) is, I'm close to 100% certain those trips also include discreet photographers and hotel rooms wired with 4k video recording.

Re: Oracle attempt to hide cybersecurity incident from customers?

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Post by 3acctforcom »

UltraSane wrote: post #77
lucianbr wrote: post #18

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I'm guessing nobody chooses to work with Oracle anymore for reasons or in situations that we would consider reasonable. It's probably either governments contracts, with or without corruption, companies already locked in, contracts made by executives that don't really understand technology, that sort of thing.

I worked as a contractor for the Wisconsin state government and they had hundreds of Oracle databases that they were consolidating on the Oracle EXADATA11 servers. Insane having hardware that can only run Oracle but the Oracle DBA said that the Exadata was dozens of times faster than Oracle on VMware VMs.

Lies. Fucking lies. We were a three environment shop until we moved to Exa and the compute/$ ratio is so bad that we had to cut it down to two.

But we're talking about Oracle here so that's par for the course.

Re: Oracle attempt to hide cybersecurity incident from customers?

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Post by protocolture »

legitster wrote: post #40

If you are already a customer of Oracle, I can't imagine this matters to you. You did not choose Oracle because it was a good product and they are a good company. You are a customer of Oracle because there was a backroom executive deal with the Devil. No one is surprised or outraged or even has any choices.

I was talking to a customer in a construction company that had its entire internal project management platform sold to Oracle. Oracle futzed it, and after a complete roll of the construction firms board of directors, they were in negotiations to buy their own program back for twice the price.

Re: Oracle attempt to hide cybersecurity incident from customers?

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Post by LPisGood »

bigiain wrote: post #91
LPisGood wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>”enterprise sales process” I’m sorry, is Oracle known to be some super sleazy sales org that plys enterprise decision makers with strippers and cocktails, and drugs?

I have absolutely no idea if you are being facetious or naive there. Yes. Oracle is absolutely the tech vendor that's going to be dropped on the engineering team with zero input and no consideration for whether it fits the problems they have, after your CTO spends a a few days on the golf course and high end steak restaurants and, depending on how much money their enterprise sales team thinks they have, either high c…

> I have absolutely no idea if you are being facetious or naive there.

Neither, but perhaps worse: I am young.

Are there any compilations of apocryphal stories of the events you described? It sounds too fantastic to be real.

Re: Oracle attempt to hide cybersecurity incident from customers?

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Post by geodel »

sofixa wrote: post #80
geodel wrote: post #74

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> everyone who worked there has a black mark on their CV. Yet they persist, continue leeching off companies too scared to make the jump elsewhere. This is just your opinion. Most people I know who work there feel just fine if not very happy. Pay/benefits are good. Work is about same everywhere. In fact depending on group there maybe good, challenging technical work there. As far as CV is concerned working there is mo…

> Work is about same everywhere Well, no. When a customer at my job makes a mistake, we don't send lawyers chasing after them because we're assholes. And when someone proposes something that will hurt those customers, people speak up and voice their disagreement.

In large companies people don't keep up with what all other departments are up to. And further even if they know they can also see nuance that lawyers are involved because current situation can harm their employer.

> When a customer at my job makes a mistake, we don't send lawyers chasing ...

Maybe you own the company or are in its executive ranks and can take decision on such scenarios. But in large companies most rank and file employees do not particularly feel good or bad about their employers.

Re: Oracle attempt to hide cybersecurity incident from customers?

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Post by decimalenough »

psunavy03 wrote: post #78
decimalenough wrote: post #62

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It really isn't. Oracle has had a terrible reputation since forever, and every ex-Sun engineer I've met has taken great pains to explain they did not join Oracle voluntarily. It's kind of like working for a tobacco company or arms manufacturer in payroll or something: you're not directly responsible for killing millions of people, but by choosing to work there you're still kind of condoning it.

> arms manufacturer in payroll or something: you're not directly responsible for killing millions of people, but by choosing to work there you're still kind of condoning it. It morbidly amuses me that this kind of argument can still be made given what's going on in Ukraine. Governments have militaries for a reason, and there's a reason Europe is now scrambling to re-arm itself.

Governments have militaries for many reasons. If you work at a US arms manufacturer, some of your output may indeed being going to defend Ukraine, but some of it is also going to the Israeli military in Gaza, the Saudi Arabian military in Yemen, and a long, long list of countries listed here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_aid

Re: Oracle attempt to hide cybersecurity incident from customers?

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Post by UltraSane »

3acctforcom wrote: post #92
UltraSane wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked as a contractor for the Wisconsin state government and they had hundreds of Oracle databases that they were consolidating on the Oracle EXADATA11 servers. Insane having hardware that can only run Oracle but the Oracle DBA said that the Exadata was dozens of times faster than Oracle on VMware VMs.

Lies. Fucking lies. We were a three environment shop until we moved to Exa and the compute/$ ratio is so bad that we had to cut it down to two. But we're talking about Oracle here so that's par for the course.

I didn't make any claims about performance per $, just relative performance compared to VMs. I hate Oracle as much as anyone but the EXADATA is impressive hardware. It has lots of RAM and Infiniband networking. It can push query predicates to the storage controllers to reduce the data that had to be transferred.

Re: Oracle attempt to hide cybersecurity incident from customers?

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Post by geodel »

senderista wrote: post #88
geodel wrote: post #74

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> everyone who worked there has a black mark on their CV. Yet they persist, continue leeching off companies too scared to make the jump elsewhere. This is just your opinion. Most people I know who work there feel just fine if not very happy. Pay/benefits are good. Work is about same everywhere. In fact depending on group there maybe good, challenging technical work there. As far as CV is concerned working there is mo…

I wonder if the senior engineering talent OCI poached from AWS (including the guy who introduced formal methods to AWS) is still there?

For sure they'd have. I have heard they hired tons of people in Seattle area, presumably from Amazon. Also Amazon hired lots of people from Oracle. Starting from many deeply technical Java/JVM experts to tons of B-grade solution architects types.

To me this assumption that rank and file employees would find their employer evil but keep working there nonetheless is unrealistic.

Re: Oracle attempt to hide cybersecurity incident from customers?

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Post by lanyard-textile »

bigiain wrote: post #91
LPisGood wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>”enterprise sales process” I’m sorry, is Oracle known to be some super sleazy sales org that plys enterprise decision makers with strippers and cocktails, and drugs?

I have absolutely no idea if you are being facetious or naive there. Yes. Oracle is absolutely the tech vendor that's going to be dropped on the engineering team with zero input and no consideration for whether it fits the problems they have, after your CTO spends a a few days on the golf course and high end steak restaurants and, depending on how much money their enterprise sales team thinks they have, either high c…

This is legitimately the first time I have ever seen it brought up too! I’ve never heard about this side of them.

Universally hated, but the legal aspects alone are hateworthy.

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