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Scammers Steal $1T a Year – Mostly from Americans

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Re: Scammers Steal $1T a Year – Mostly from Americans

#91
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's good to hear that scammers are taking your grandparents retirement money as reparations for colonial acts?

Why are you repeating what I wrote? Calling Globalization "colonial acts" is a nice touch, though. Thanks.

Come on, please keep these kind of polemics off HN...

Re: Scammers Steal $1T a Year – Mostly from Americans

#92
post #65

My elderly mother has been scammed twice (that I know of). She fell for one of those "Your computer has been hacked" popup windows a few years ago. Which led to her buying a "protection" service that installed malware on her machine. Every couple of months she'd have an "issue" and have to shell out more money to fix it. She's been using computers since the 80's (Apple ][e) but still is utterly clueless on how to ope…

Folks, if you still have grandparents and you love them please give them a call. Let them hear your voice and know where you are. Scammers are targeting the elderly because they are lonely. With social media all they need are a few public posts to feed them plausible details. And absence of seeing or talking to you means anyone can call and say they are you. I’ve read transcripts and listened to the call recordings as evidence. It’s quite clear most elderly have no idea what their adult grandchildren sound like. But one day they are going to get a call from a Cabo jail and naturally want to help.

Re: Scammers Steal $1T a Year – Mostly from Americans

#93
post #29

I struggled to find the source the fact that $1T is lost to scammers. From the FBI internet crime report in 2023 Americans lost about 12.5 Billion dollars [0]. That is far from 1T$. Another source reports cost if cybercrime is reported to reach 9.5T$ in 2024 but again no source provided for that number [1] [0] https://www.ic3.gov/AnnualReport/Reports/2023_IC3Report.pdf#... [1] https://www.esentire.com/resources/libra…

It kinda just depends on the agenda, one source says it’s nothing, another says it’s a trillion, and that huge gap usually means someone’s trying to push something, like tougher laws or justify some policy shift. Half the time it feels like the facts don’t even matter, just the story they wanna sell.

Half is being generous. Too much damn policy takes the form: I want policy action X for reason A, but people would be pissed if I said that's why, so I worked backwards to fabricate problem B which I will pretend to be deeply passionate about and plausibly has solution X.

It's god damn maddening. At least one side effect of the new GOP is they're partially dropping the pretense of needing B so we can at least not talk past one another sometimes.

Re: Scammers Steal $1T a Year – Mostly from Americans

#94
post #4

I'm not going to read the "article" because it is a transcript and looks a bit rambly and I don't expect it to be talking about anything interesting. But just going to the headline here; consider the base rate. North America has huge per-capita wealth (by a bit of a margin over most other large players). It is expected that scammers would target them and make the most profit there.

It’s not only that IMO. Americans are uniquely targetable because of the way “legal” scams operate here with impunity and are not distinguishable from these illegal scams.

Medicare Advantage for example.

Re: Scammers Steal $1T a Year – Mostly from Americans

#95
post #65

My elderly mother has been scammed twice (that I know of). She fell for one of those "Your computer has been hacked" popup windows a few years ago. Which led to her buying a "protection" service that installed malware on her machine. Every couple of months she'd have an "issue" and have to shell out more money to fix it. She's been using computers since the 80's (Apple ][e) but still is utterly clueless on how to ope…

> She's been using computers since the 80's (Apple ][e) but still is utterly clueless on how to operate a computer.

On it's surface, this is what it looks like, but in reality what's happening is that your mother learned what she needed to learn to do her job and the things she's interested in doing. Now, unfortunately, that is no longer enough. Now you need to have a decent understanding of how things work so you can know when to call bullshit.

What separates all of us from the general public is we're not content to just learn what's required to do our jobs - we must learn how the thing works.

I was at dinner many years ago with some friends, and one of them had invited an opinion piece writer from the New York Times and she and I got into - what she felt - was a slightly heated back and forth, but I was actually just stating the reality of the new paradigm in which we live, which is this:

The days of learning everything you'll need to learn to operate in the world in high school and college are over. They've been over. You're going to have to continually learn new skills, all the time, if you expect to maintain your job and position in the modern world. If you're not willing to do that, you will no longer be promoted and if you continue to maintain that perspective, you'll eventually be fired for someone that will dedicate hours after work to keeping abreast of all the changes.

She said that was, "inhumane" and "unrealistic". I told her it didn't matter what she thought it was, because this is the reality of Corporate America, and it's even more true in technology companies, and the absolute gospel in Big Tech. She got a little huffy, but frankly I don't give a fuck when people get huffy over hearing how the world actually works, because 1) I'm not causing it and 2) no one can stop it, or even slow it down. The best you can do is adapt or choose to lay down and die. And I'm not gonna fuckin' lay down and die.

Apparently, neither is your Mom, since she's learning how to discern bullshit scammer emails from legitimate communications, so I say, good on her, and I hope she keeps on keeping on!

Re: Scammers Steal $1T a Year – Mostly from Americans

#96
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And most people dramatically underestimate what a death sentence a low trust society is for economic development. Countries that allow a culture of scamming are all poor because a low trust society will never develop into a first world economy. Trust and property rights are the basis of all development and investment and human collaboration.

Which is why it’s so depressing to see the U.S. backslide into this so quickly and willfully.

Honestly, I don't think it's been fast. We're just in the final phases. It's been building for decades. Venerating making money over all else and justifying anything as long as it's profitable and you get away with it has been going on for a while. Everyone sees the very wealthy and politically connected getting away with crimes and things that should be crimes, and that culture of money above all spreads.

Corruption starts at the top, but eventually it's everywhere.

Re: Scammers Steal $1T a Year – Mostly from Americans

#97
post #4

I'm not going to read the "article" because it is a transcript and looks a bit rambly and I don't expect it to be talking about anything interesting. But just going to the headline here; consider the base rate. North America has huge per-capita wealth (by a bit of a margin over most other large players). It is expected that scammers would target them and make the most profit there.

But why less Europeans? A language barrier for some countries? More regulations about robocalls etc? GDPR and better privacy so our data isn't as easy to exploit?

Language, unified market, cost of making calls or sending sms, payment networks.

I'm sure there are scammers targetting Europe, but the US is a better market, because you get more people with one language, voice calls and sms are nearly free, and the dominant payment networks have a global footprint.

For Europe, you need a different language per country (more or less), calling cellphones and sending sms can be expensive (depends on the country), and victims may have country specific payment networks that may be hard to integrate from outside the area (lots of direct bank payments, which isn't easy to integrate with).

Re: Scammers Steal $1T a Year – Mostly from Americans

#98

We need a federal police in charge of tracking down and stamping out scams. They attack our elderly, and otherwise vulnerable. They steal money from the people who can least afford it and fund various violent, illegal and nefarious organizations.

We have an FBI, they're just busy chasing Russian and Chinese boogeymen so they dont look too closely at the actual miscreants.

Re: Scammers Steal $1T a Year – Mostly from Americans

#99
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why less Europeans? A language barrier for some countries? More regulations about robocalls etc? GDPR and better privacy so our data isn't as easy to exploit?

Language proficiency seems like a significant factor. India and Nigeria have the second and third largest number of English speakers by absolute population, I don't think it's a coincidence that both countries are also notorious for their scammers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English...

Considering unemployment and population

Re: Scammers Steal $1T a Year – Mostly from Americans

#100
Considering that for each scam a transaction fee i.e. 1-2% goes back to one of major US bank or card processor, they should re-calculate the scam amount and impact it has, as all the scams here are supposedly digital.

Plus, since all the transactions go through reputed banks why isn't there a decline, it has been happening since a decade now.

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