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Interesting insight into how they organize their compute resources!
Yeah, oddly lots of information in that domain.
naming things - always the easy part of the setup
iCloud Mail has DNS misconfigured?
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
what did people do before Exchange Online (or whatever the cloud offering is called)? they just didn't have email?
Thing is, I’ve been doing this since before Exchange Online, I know. People used a few different groupware solutions, worked with bespoke IMAP installations on Linux servers, or (the vast majority) had on-premises Exchange servers running locally. It all required lots of tech wizardry, tinkering, duct tape and hope. It was a long while before we had turn-key solutions, and you needed actually knowledgeable folks runn…
what was hotmail using?
a.k.a. i think you're missing the point. It's ok. You want knowledgeable people running your key infra. Outsourcing that to a company that doesn't respect privacy seems to be shooting oneself in the foot.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t know any that come close in functionality, configurability, and maintainability. Exchange scales from a one-person handyman to Fortune 500 without a hitch, it comes with an office suite and cloud storage space, you find specialists for it on every corner, and it mostly just works. That’s pretty hard to beat, even if I’m personally more than unhappy to be so dependent on Microsoft, a US product, and closed-sou…
what did people do before Exchange Online (or whatever the cloud offering is called)? they just didn't have email?
I don't know man, what did people do before computers? Why does what people used to do have any bearing on the world now?
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thing is, I’ve been doing this since before Exchange Online, I know. People used a few different groupware solutions, worked with bespoke IMAP installations on Linux servers, or (the vast majority) had on-premises Exchange servers running locally. It all required lots of tech wizardry, tinkering, duct tape and hope. It was a long while before we had turn-key solutions, and you needed actually knowledgeable folks runn…
what was hotmail using? a.k.a. i think you're missing the point. It's ok. You want knowledgeable people running your key infra. Outsourcing that to a company that doesn't respect privacy seems to be shooting oneself in the foot.
No, sorry, I think you're missing the point. There is one Hotmail, and a million businesses that need reliable email. I don’t want to outsource my key infra, but that’s the only viable option for most companies.
Getting email right requires lots of infra expertise, steady financial expenses, and time. Most companies just don’t have any of these available, and it makes zero economic sense as well if a product like Microsoft 365 exists.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t know any that come close in functionality, configurability, and maintainability. Exchange scales from a one-person handyman to Fortune 500 without a hitch, it comes with an office suite and cloud storage space, you find specialists for it on every corner, and it mostly just works. That’s pretty hard to beat, even if I’m personally more than unhappy to be so dependent on Microsoft, a US product, and closed-sou…
what did people do before Exchange Online (or whatever the cloud offering is called)? they just didn't have email?
On-prem Exchange. And as someone on the user end, it was even worse.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thing is, I’ve been doing this since before Exchange Online, I know. People used a few different groupware solutions, worked with bespoke IMAP installations on Linux servers, or (the vast majority) had on-premises Exchange servers running locally. It all required lots of tech wizardry, tinkering, duct tape and hope. It was a long while before we had turn-key solutions, and you needed actually knowledgeable folks runn…
what was hotmail using? a.k.a. i think you're missing the point. It's ok. You want knowledgeable people running your key infra. Outsourcing that to a company that doesn't respect privacy seems to be shooting oneself in the foot.
>what was hotmail using?
IIRC as they've been acquihired they had their own software stack back in 90's.
Re: iCloud Mail has DNS misconfigured?
#97This was mentioned earlier today on the mailop list: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailop@mailop.org/msg24300.html with a later response indicating that Apple was aware: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailop@mailop.org/msg24312.html
Greybeard here but it gives me shivers that in a mailop ML people top-posts.
might've been replied from iphone, mail.app does that sadly.
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#98This shows that email should die in a tyre fire and we all need to collectively move to something else… but we should have done this more than 10 years ago. Email has SO many technical issues that if someone would have come out with email today, nobody would use it! The ONLY thing going for it really is that it’s decentralised and has the network effect that almost everyone uses it. Bzzzt, I kid I kid! Anyone under 2…
Yes, we should move to a proprietary service where the provider can extort us for the rest of our lives.
Not sure where in my comment I said proprietary?
I just means we take RFC 821 and RFC822, then everything build on top of that flaming tire fire and send it into an orbit directly into the sun, and replace it with new open protocols that weren’t designed when the internet was a trusted network but with layers and layers of crust stacked on top in order to mitigate its shortfall
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#99They also started using new IPs without PTR records to send out mail. Though so has Microsoft just recently. Both heavily frown upon that when receiving mail themselves. Do as we say...
I hate getting a report telling me my work domain is blocked because it is missing a PTR record and we use Exchange Online. I can’t do anything about that!
Complain to your provider. You're paying for the service, right? They should run a properly configured mail exchange and part of that is having PTR records. If they can't manage that then it's time for a serious discussion about changing vendors.
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It’s a minor (but annoying) issue to make the reason to migrate 1,500 users. Who many of which would still need licenses for Excel anyway. Microsoft being annoying and frustrating and having so many issues is why I have a well paying job in IT.
that sounds like the lump of labor fallacy. there's plenty of things to do in IT besides babysitting hypocrite hypergiants.
Because I get to make those calls, not people two or three or four levels above me.