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Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Old people are 'aging in place' instead of cultivating the new generation and it really, really shows

I'm not sure if democracy has the tools to adequately deal with this tbh, at-least in the short-to-medium term.

I really hope we can find a way to make voters actually believe an abundant future is possible, and that it'll benefit them and their families.

It's the biggest difference I see in societies like China, there's this pervasive optimism about technology, progress and abundance (~700 million people have first hand experience). No idea if they can keep up the growth but we sure won't.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

#92

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Unfortunately, we have one party that wants the government to get some stuff done but doesn't really care about how much it costs, and another party that cares about costs but doesn't really want the government to get stuff done. So we end up either getting things done for an exorbitant price, or not getting anything done.

The Republicans care to claim about costs, but DOGE actions like mass firing inspectors general make it obvious that's a lie. The actual function of the party at this this point is to funnel money to the rich and/or do whatever Trump got into his head is important this week even if it means setting the economy on fire.

They sort of care about costs, but basically in the sense of, "getting a fat guy to lose weight by chopping his arm off".

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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It’s amazing that this gets upvoted while it is completely uninformed about what liberal politicians actually run on. This is what the Kamala campaign ran on, it didn’t work. People love getting tangled on social issues as it’s the most provocative. This conception that most people actually care about rational policies is false and has been false for at least the past decade.

Your assumptions are wrong. Kamala lost because of inflation during the Biden admin and some related missteps. Also her gender and skin color likely worked against her. Also you're misreading my point, campaigning on these things isn't a panacea, but delivering on them just might be.

> Also her gender and skin color likely worked against her.

She had less charisma than Hilary. Probably even less than Al Gore or Zuckeberg before his new software update was installed. And she had a history of bending the knee to the progressives.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Part of the courage needed is not pandering to the left.

In what sense?

In the sense that the center is where the action is, and votes are, and the left and right fringes attract too much attention and influence.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

#95

I've grown a little bit more skeptical of what can realistically be achieved by the passive nature of YIMBY-ism. In Portland, they passed some radical new zoning laws a few years ago that allowed anyone, anywhere the ability to zone ADUs on their property. And the cost to get permits is almost nothing. I have lots of friends and family in the area with property. But not a single one has added an ADU. It seems like it…

what are ADUs?

fwiw Google search works well for this, but it means "Accessory Dwelling Unit", aka "Granny flat".

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

#96

I've grown a little bit more skeptical of what can realistically be achieved by the passive nature of YIMBY-ism. In Portland, they passed some radical new zoning laws a few years ago that allowed anyone, anywhere the ability to zone ADUs on their property. And the cost to get permits is almost nothing. I have lots of friends and family in the area with property. But not a single one has added an ADU. It seems like it…

what are ADUs?

See https://www.cityofithaca.org/786/Accessory-Dwelling-Units-AD... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_suite

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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I'm pretty sure the political group that can guarantee a quality National Health Service in the US will win

When the Democrats had a majority in the House and a supermajority in the Senate when Obama was elected, they couldn't even get a public option included in the Affordable Care Act, and the right so successfully demagogued "Obamacare" (their name for it) that the Democrats lost an incredible number of seats in the 2010 midterms. Bernie Sanders campaigned on Medicare for All (essentially what you're suggesting) in 2016…

"Didn't even win the democratic primary" might be a bit of a misnomer if it's implying that winning the democratic primary should be much easier than winning the general. Bernie has positions that are popular outside of democrats, many people think that if he had won the primary, he would have had a much better chance of winning than Hilary or Biden, since he had less baggage and his policies were broadly popular.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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I can not follow the linked article at all. It keeps whiplashing back and forth between "big government good" and "big government bad".

The summary, the best I can tell, is "big government bad, that's why we need to empower big government even more, so that it has the power to fix the things that big government did"?

We gave control over housing to big government, which did things the author doesn't like, so now the author wants to give them more power to fix the things they did when we gave them more power?

I have no idea what the author is trying to say. It almost gives the AI content feeling, where you read for a while and then realize you just read words that were grammatically correct but held no actual meaning.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

#99
Refocusing on outcomes is a good start.

Getting voting constituencies to do so is a big lift.

And that might be easier than getting people to look at places where ideological assumptions about production dynamics need examination (including the obvious shortcomings of the hope that a laissez faire market will naturally solve housing supply problems).

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

#100

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I'm pretty sure the political group that can guarantee a quality National Health Service in the US will win

When the Democrats had a majority in the House and a supermajority in the Senate when Obama was elected, they couldn't even get a public option included in the Affordable Care Act, and the right so successfully demagogued "Obamacare" (their name for it) that the Democrats lost an incredible number of seats in the 2010 midterms. Bernie Sanders campaigned on Medicare for All (essentially what you're suggesting) in 2016…

In fairness, and NHS didn't get tested at the ballot in 2016. There's a structural problem with parties of the "left", namely that they're hostages of their predominantly centre-right memberships. Labour in the UK has the same problem, as do the Socialist party in France. Pretty much all social democratic parties have been hollowed out by a managerial class (alongside career lawyers and the like) that their traditional bases aren't welcome. This stymies the ability of left wing populists who would challenge the current system and bring about policies like universal healthcare to even run in the first place.

What's worse is that they'll inevitably be attacked by those same centrist incumbents while they do run: Jeremy Corbyn was a great example of this. One of his fiercest critics is now a minister for health, another was made a Lord, others are now safely pickled in think tanks which will tide them over nicely until they can return to the fold.

The only way to fix this is to do as the right have done across Europe: to accept that it'll be a very long haul indeed until your people get power, and to start insurgent, radical parties. This sidesteps the big incumbent parties as a filter, and makes it clear who one's friends are. That's what needs to happen in the US on the left, but the odds of it paying off in anything less than decades are staggeringly low.

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