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Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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As much as I - a Pixel 7 (GrapheneOS) user - would hate that, doing so would essentially put Android on equal footing as iOS and would give me a serious reason to consider switching to an iPhone. Apple's hardware is just so much sleeker, faster, and better than Google's mediocre Pixel line.

Maybe I'm just a tech philistine but I find my Pixel 8a and my wife's iPhone to be basically indistinguishable in any meaningful way.

The camera - the only reason I would buy an iPhone is for the better camera.

Sure, the Pixel 8a camera is not bad for the price but it's still noticeably worse. The kind of difference you notice when someone with an iPhone shares photos with you.

Apps and the whole phone experience are a sh*tshow on both sides and I hate both with a passion. I'm still waiting for a decent linux experience on a phone - possibly with stupid banking apps support.

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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No OEM is interested in AOSP builds, because no one is going to buy an Android phone without Google Play Services, which is required for many popular apps to work (banking, games). There were some Chinese OEMs that ran an Android build and have unofficial ways to get Play Store working (Boox eReaders for example), but those are increasingly rare now, as years of sanctions has led to Huawei de-Googling itself fast, wi…

Kindle Fire? Your smart TV? Your car infotainment? Android is everywhere even without Google

All of the chinese and indian phones?

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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I hope they make it closed source and make us much money out of it as possible for shareholders that is their job and their duty, why are they giving this away for free they have already captured market share by claiming opensource and building a community now all they have to do is make it proprietary and the old opensource version slowly wither and become unstable, then they can charge money for the operating syste…

On the other hand, this would breathe new life into the world of open source cellphone software that isn't Android. It has existed in a limbo of free and corporate for over a decade and everyone gave up on alternatives like FirefoxOS.

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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Not really clear how moving this project to a private repo is evil. If you're going to argue it is a "bait and switch", that implies intent to deceive. Do you think that was the plan? Release the first version in 2007 and then wait 18 years and pull the ol switcheroo?

Depending on how it's done of course. If all commits are squashed into a single giant commit for each release to AOSP, then tracking exactly what happened since the last release will become much more difficult. All of this highlights the ever increasing need for linux phones, with the ability to run android apps in virtual machines. Although, goggle apps already refuse to operate in some of these environments, and I'…

> with the ability to run android apps in virtual machines.

Play Integrity

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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As much as I - a Pixel 7 (GrapheneOS) user - would hate that, doing so would essentially put Android on equal footing as iOS and would give me a serious reason to consider switching to an iPhone. Apple's hardware is just so much sleeker, faster, and better than Google's mediocre Pixel line.

Maybe I'm just a tech philistine but I find my Pixel 8a and my wife's iPhone to be basically indistinguishable in any meaningful way.

I play videogames and I can tell the difference between 60 and 120herz screen. Always amused me that a so called premium device had worse hardware than a flagship killer. Apple apparently finally caught up with their latest phone?

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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The good thing is that at least the kernel and the VM/runtime need to be open source

the VM/runtime need to be open source Isn't ART Apache 2-licensed? They don't have to provide the source. I don't see why they would completely close it though. It would lead to forks, plus they have a lot of control through Google Play Services etc. already.

Parts are GPLv2 with Classpath exception:

https://cs.android.com/android/platform/superproject/main/+/...

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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Maybe I'm just a tech philistine but I find my Pixel 8a and my wife's iPhone to be basically indistinguishable in any meaningful way.

They are completely different. One of them lets you have the sexy blue text boxes in iPhone group chats, and the other makes everyone see you with the green box of shame.

Neither of them causes anyone else to see your messages as green. Or blue.

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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I hope they make it closed source and make us much money out of it as possible for shareholders that is their job and their duty, why are they giving this away for free they have already captured market share by claiming opensource and building a community now all they have to do is make it proprietary and the old opensource version slowly wither and become unstable, then they can charge money for the operating syste…

As much as I - a Pixel 7 (GrapheneOS) user - would hate that, doing so would essentially put Android on equal footing as iOS and would give me a serious reason to consider switching to an iPhone. Apple's hardware is just so much sleeker, faster, and better than Google's mediocre Pixel line.

Parity will only be achieved for me when the iPhone supports FDroid, and allows the replacement of default apps with apps of my choosing.

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They are completely different. One of them lets you have the sexy blue text boxes in iPhone group chats, and the other makes everyone see you with the green box of shame.

Unless you live outside of the US in which nobody gives a damn and they all use WhatsApp. After moving, I only get sms messages from the doctors office and my friends back in America.

Not true at all. This effect is pretty common in countries outside of US. It makes sense. WhatsApp is just another messaging app thats popular depending on a local whim. Where as iMessages get sent automatically between iOS users.

Re: Google will develop Android OS behind closed doors starting next week

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It's a bit disturbing that that might be the plan though.

if it really is, they should take note of exactly what happened to Oracle when they acquired solaris and mysql and turned them into proprietary applications. Whatever investment they had made in them literally evaporated in a week as mariadb and galera showed up. OpenIndiana basically made continued solaris development at Oracle a moot point, not that it wasnt already with Linux on the scene. RedHat has tried somethi…

>What you could expect is a massive developer exodus from the open community to other friendlier projects

You act as if anyone to a first approximation cares about indie developers. Most of the popular apps on Android and iOS are from the big corporations and pay to win games. They could care less about ideology.

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