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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by flohofwoe »

jwarden wrote: post #71
mixedbit wrote: post #8

The incoming Q1 earning reports will show if these actions are mainstream enough to make a visible dent in companies quarterly earnings. For now, the already reported Tesla sales numbers in Europe are substantially down, but Tesla is the strongest target of the boycott. It will be interesting to see if consumer companies such as Coca Cola, Nike, Amazon also report a substantial drop in EU sales.

When politicians pick fights with leaders of other nations, the people don't have to go along with them.

This time the US government picked a fight with the people though, those are the ones who need to bear the brunt of those pointless tarrifs.

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Post by brettermeier »

pjmlp wrote: post #22
mixedbit wrote: post #8

The incoming Q1 earning reports will show if these actions are mainstream enough to make a visible dent in companies quarterly earnings. For now, the already reported Tesla sales numbers in Europe are substantially down, but Tesla is the strongest target of the boycott. It will be interesting to see if consumer companies such as Coca Cola, Nike, Amazon also report a substantial drop in EU sales.

Not sure how much it gets consumed, but many places in Germany rather sell Fritz-Kola only.

But in big supermarket chains you overwhelmingly find Coca Cola or the cheap house brand of the chain, at least when it is about big bottles or sixpacks. Sure, supermarkets like Edeka may also have alternatives like Afri Cola or what those are called, but big masses are Coca Cola.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by o_m »

pjc50 wrote: post #54
apexalpha wrote: post #45

At my (enterprise) job there has been a noticable shift in attitude. We've just decided to use Mistral for OCR, even though everything we currently use is embedded in Azure / IntelDocs or something. Usually any push for EU products would be dismissed because of the initial friction compared to SV products. This seems to have shifted significantly all the way to the top. Everyone seems on board to just accept more fri…

Interesting to see this in B2B, which is normally unemotional about choice of supplier. But the business risk is now real, especially when you consider GDPR safe harbour.

The fear is trade war (rising prices to extortion levels), blockades of network traffic (holding data hostage) and war (which leads to sabotage, manipulation and destruction of data).

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by morsch »

pjmlp wrote: post #22
mixedbit wrote: post #8

The incoming Q1 earning reports will show if these actions are mainstream enough to make a visible dent in companies quarterly earnings. For now, the already reported Tesla sales numbers in Europe are substantially down, but Tesla is the strongest target of the boycott. It will be interesting to see if consumer companies such as Coca Cola, Nike, Amazon also report a substantial drop in EU sales.

Not sure how much it gets consumed, but many places in Germany rather sell Fritz-Kola only.

Coca-Cola completely dominates retail in Germany. The most recent numbers I could find[1] are from 2018, but I have no reason to believe the situation, you know, flipped on its head -- the top 3 lemonades were Coke, Coke Zero and Coke light, making up about 75% of the market. In 2022[2] Fritz had 2.9% market share. Maybe the market share is higher in restaurants, though I'd be shocked if it Fritz was even at 25%.

[1] https://www.businessinsider.de/wirtschaft/es-gibt-ein-deutsc...

[2] https://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/industrie/fritz-kola-der-coc...

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by palata »

glimshe wrote: post #13

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I find this interesting: the US administration is currently bullying and threatening its ex-allies (many citizens of those countries don't see the US as allies anymore). Those ex-allies are reacting to that bullying, as a way to defend themselves.

And it feels like many US citizens completely ignore that they are on the side of the bullies, and just go full patriotism: "Oh, they want to boycott us? We will boycott them, too, they'll see!". Sure, you can do that, but don't forget that your country is the bully.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by rsynnott »

fedeb95 wrote: post #57
ETH_start wrote: post #9

This reminds me of Soviet ersatz products. Like the Soviet Union, the European Union operates at a scale where it can feasibly create a nearly full suite of goods/services in parallel to the market alternative.

the difference being that the EU is in the market. The US is easing its debt by boosting profits, but this will only work temporarily. Otherwise, the US will gradually slip out of the market. Of course no one has a crystal ball, or if someone has one it doesn't really predict the future... we'll see!

> The US is easing its debt by boosting profits, but this will only work temporarily.

I mean, it's hard to see how it would work at all! Their tariff take is simply not going to be sufficient to move the needle very much, and it's not implausible that the revenue loss on income and corporate tax due to lost economic growth will be larger.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by _7acn »

For me personally, it’s completely irrelevant. As a European, I feel exactly the same kind of “connection” to Europe as I do to the USA. It’s a different story when it comes to the country I live in. If a local (national) product is comparable to a foreign one, I’ll usually choose the local one. But all this EU vs USA fuss means nothing to me. I often choose American products simply because they’re the best.

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Post by galfarragem »

bantunes wrote: post #78
galfarragem wrote: post #55

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I see this as an absolute win - EU tech businesses get bolstered, and we no longer depend on the country that apprehends tourists[1] or denies entry to scientists because their social media has unfavorable opinions about their great leader[2]. Call it whiny, I call it common sense. [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/british-tourist-detained-i... [2] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/scientist-banned-from-e...

I will never support cancel culture. But let’s be honest, cancel culture wasn’t his invention…

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by apexalpha »

brettermeier wrote: post #70
apexalpha wrote: post #45

At my (enterprise) job there has been a noticable shift in attitude. We've just decided to use Mistral for OCR, even though everything we currently use is embedded in Azure / IntelDocs or something. Usually any push for EU products would be dismissed because of the initial friction compared to SV products. This seems to have shifted significantly all the way to the top. Everyone seems on board to just accept more fri…

Getting away from AWS is a big step! I hope the company I work for will think about it too. But maybe the time has come. A few months ago, people thought you were crazy if you talked about moving to another cloud service, but I hope the mood has changed with big impact for the future and which services we trust.

We have a looooong way to go. Even this cluster is just one product we consume from AWS.

And don't get me started on O365...

But the fact that there's money available for this is a big shift.

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