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The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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post #18

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What exactly do you find "snide" or "sarcastic?" The thesis of TFA is that their faith motivated the crimes. You can't tell the story without talking about how they choose to practice their faith.

Aside from what I called out in my sibling comment these two are pretty snide: "A fortune built on the sales of sewing notions and glitter has paid for many of the country’s most influential megachurches and scriptures delivered to the most remote corners of the world. A careful calculation of potential proselytized souls drives every financial decision." "Perhaps the Greens, in their inexperience, did not understand…

> Aside from what I called out in my sibling comment these two are pretty snide to me

- "Snide" is subjective. - It's a blog post not a news article or scholarly report. - The topic is a business run by people who ostensibly make decisions based on their faith to justify actions which cause various harm to others. Taking a critical view of those actions and the motivations is reasonable.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Kind of weird that this has 103 upvotes and all the comments are wondering what the point of this story is.

Kind of weird that there's all this support for Evangelicals on an Hacker News discussion.

The bulk of this discussion could feature prominently in a museum of Internet trolling.

An unsolved problem of Internet discussions is that, for a variety of reasons, those with poor literacy and weak background knowledge are overrepresented in the comments (and responses to them may dominate, as well, since such posts tend to act as flame bait at best, and as very-effective classical trolling at worst) and that's something HN struggles with ordinarily, but this particular thread is really something special.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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Is it just me or has HN as a whole become... more Christian lately? A lot more defensive comments here than I would've expected, and I've seen in other threads people actually openly recommending religion/Christianity specifically as something that solved their problems. What's the deal here? I would've thought this would be a relatively atheist/agnostic community, if not one that eschews discussion of religion entir…

I don't know about HN in particular, but I do feel like religions have significantly boosted their online proselytizing in the last 5-10 years.

My suspicions:

* The normie barrier has continued to lower, so more traditional and progress-reluctant religious people are now connected to social media.

* Some sects may be intentionally targeting online communities, just like they target IRL communities for converts. Beliefs that don't require a devotion of forcing the belief itself upon others will naturally fade into the background. Beliefs that don't claim to solve your problems will also fade into the background.

* Social media algorithms prefer religious posts. Religious posts often invoke some sort of emotional response. Religions are some of the oldest memes after all.

All of this is just a gut feeling based on the religious material I've been exposed to on the web. I think it's fairly consistent with how religions have spread throughout history. Secularism is squashed unless you specifically fight for it, which itself may require a kind of religious fervor.

This is possibly the natural result of any human community growing large enough. There will be those who ask unanswerable questions, and there will be those who have the answers to those questions. Those who need order, and those who need to order.

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post #60

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> What exactly do you find "snide" or "sarcastic?" I haven't read the article, but certainly the phrase "whose entire schtick" doesn't belong in journalism that purports not to be sarcastic or snide. That's the kind of thing that goes in a Tumblr post.

1) It's just a substack post...? Where the hell is all this "this is poor journalism" stuff coming from? This substack post is also a really bad if we judge it as a children's picture book. 2) I take it HN is not familiar with a whole major subgenre of journalism in which "whose entire schtick" would be perfectly at home?

So I am not familiar with Substack a quick look at Wikipedia says "Substack is an American online platform that provides publishing, payment, analytics, and design infrastructure to support subscription newsletters."

If people expect a level of quality of reporting rather than "guy with a blog" from things hosted on Substack that would explain the comments.

I will also note that the top of the thread really only said that if the author wanted to be taken as an even handed reporter than in the commenters opinion they need to change their tone. If the author doesn't want to come across as an even handed reporter, then the tone is fine.

I personally find the tone to be off putting as it seems to be not fact based at all and is often making a conclusion from the premise rather than giving me an argument to get me there.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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post #76

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Bible is full of contradictions. And old testament is quite cruel at places. They are Christians. Destructive Christians on the quest to harm others ... but Christians.

As per what they call themselves, but to be of Christ is to follow his teachings of love. This is what they are, as per Matthew 25:40-45: 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42…

Ordo Amoris

https://firstthings.com/jd-vance-states-the-obvious-about-or...

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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post #76

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Bible is full of contradictions. And old testament is quite cruel at places. They are Christians. Destructive Christians on the quest to harm others ... but Christians.

There is no relevant contradiction. The entire New Testament is Jesus preaching love and forgiveness, Jesus practicing love and forgiveness - and not just to his followers - and explicit condemnation of wealth and instructing his followers to care for others. Anyone who takes that message and instead lobbies to destroy healthcare and welfare and to push hate and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them - and anyone…

Beautifully said.

To expand on that beautiful theme:

Animals compete, human beings cooperate.

Animals take advantage of others, human beings care for others by helping them and protecting them from harm.

May compassion rule our hearts for the benefit of one and all and the Earth, herself. We can choose to end suffering. As the "$6 Million Man" intro said in the 70s, "We have the technology."

The world has already learned how we MUST deal with people who act like Nazis, those who choose to emulate their brutal policies. The paradox of tolerance is also a part of Jesus's teachings for He "didn't come to bring peace, but a sword."

His Divine love must be fierce in the face of cruel depradations, but must never embrace hatred or rage or cruelty.

Tonight is the "Night of Power". Send some vibrations out asking our Creator to help you be a part of fixing this Earthwide deplorable mess. Make the Bhodisattva Vow. Ask our Creator to take Its spirit back into Itself to help cleanse and purify your soul of selfish vice, to help you become consumed by the Wisdom of Love (that's the meaning of the 1st Beatitude, called Hidayet in Sufism).

All that we emanate resonates back within ourselves. The spiritual path of love is the process of tuning our vibrations towards effortful loving service and away from selfishly callous ignorance of the suffering of others.

"Lasting peace and happiness for ALL human beings." --Me

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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post #73

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For reference: > But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—having a form of godliness but denying its…

this is basically 90% of american politicians

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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post #21

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Completely agree. I think the author's tone in this article, in a nutshell, exemplifies what was a huge driving force of so many evangelical's in the US now being firmly in the MAGA camp, even though that seems paradoxical to many of us. For a long time now, many people who's religious values are deeply important to them have felt disrespected and looked down upon by "the left" (yes, I'm obviously painting with a bro…

Some beliefs deserve to be looked down upon and disrespected because they are backwards. I wouldn't call them "silly" because they're very serious. I don't believe in treating religious fundamentalists with compassion and empathy anymore. That's how we got the nutjobs in power, by not deriding them enough in public and private. There can be no tolerance of hate, and the people you are talking about are motivated by h…

Look, in many ways I agree with you, but I guarantee that mindset is essentially doomed to failure if you want to win elections in the US where 68% of Americans identify themselves as Christian in some way.

The problem is not so much wanting to coddle up to the fire-and-brimstone fundamentalists. It's that a lot of people who used to have what would be considered "standard", middle-of-the-road religious views have been told, again in subtle and not-so-subtle ways, that they're stupid. Whether you believe this to be true is not the point. Calling a large portion of the country stupid is a great way to push them into the arms of an extremist.

Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bible is full of contradictions. And old testament is quite cruel at places. They are Christians. Destructive Christians on the quest to harm others ... but Christians.

There is no relevant contradiction. The entire New Testament is Jesus preaching love and forgiveness, Jesus practicing love and forgiveness - and not just to his followers - and explicit condemnation of wealth and instructing his followers to care for others. Anyone who takes that message and instead lobbies to destroy healthcare and welfare and to push hate and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them - and anyone…

Jesus does not condemn wealth. If that is what you are taking away from his interaction with the rich man, you would be wrong. Wealth itself is never condemned in the Bible (Old or New Testament). God often blessed his servants with wealth.
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