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Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by tbrownaw »

amarcheschi wrote: post #50
drpossum wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I am not sure if I'm understanding what you're saying. Anyway. What I am against is equating leader's behavior and people's behavior. It's not a nazi Germany situation where the people supported this action, it's a situation where most people don't know about it, and those who know are probably against it. It's such a minor issue that until something very big will happen and go on the news, nobody will care about it…

> It's not a nazi Germany situation where the people supported this action,

Um, you do know that a good chunk of the logistics involved were about hiding what was going on so that the populace wouldn't object, yes?

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by stock_toaster »

djoldman wrote: post #7

> This decision follows a similar case against Internet backbone firm Cloudflare. In January, the Court of Milan found that Cloudflare's CDN, DNS server, and WARP VPN were facilitating piracy. The court threatened Cloudflare with fines of up to 10,000 euros per day if it did not begin blocking the sites. I'm always curious about jurisdiction on this stuff. If Cloudflare had no physical machines, employees, and proper…

> If Cloudflare had no physical machines, employees, and property within Italy's borders, under what law could Italy levy a fine?

I assume they have _customers_ in Italy though? If so, they [cloudflare] are doing business there.

If they have no customers in Italy, then yeah… no clue.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by kordlessagain »

stalfosknight wrote: post #36

Why must the Europeans be like this? Why do they insist on fucking with a free and open internet instead of addressing the apparently unmet demand that is fueling a black market?

You are presenting that the Internet is free and open when it is very clearly not.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by sneak »

LeroyRaz wrote: post #78
antirez wrote: post #76

Is all that folks "Why is Europe like that" from US? In that case, remember that TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business. On the contrary, this is an official order after the proof of copyright infringement, and targets the specific devices that are attached by people here in Italy on their TVs to stoke content (pezzotto). It's not single people that go watch some streaming,…

TikTok is a legitimate national security concern.

So is Facebook and Instagram.

We’re only talking about banning the foreign one.

Also, by that logic, all publishing is potentially a “national security concern”.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

chias wrote: post #79
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CF blocking a whole country like this would be interesting... basically half the internet would stop working, probably a bunch of italian government stuff too, and people would hopefully blame the government, because i'm pretty sure there are almost zero italian voters who wanted this from their representatives. Sadly, companies bow down instead of just risk it once.

Are you suggesting that it is a good thing for corporations to be more powerful than governments?

We can always use the awesome moral compass "If I like it, yeah!"

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by dinkblam »

stalfosknight wrote: post #36

Why must the Europeans be like this? Why do they insist on fucking with a free and open internet instead of addressing the apparently unmet demand that is fueling a black market?

> Why must the Europeans be like this?

because europe is pro-socialism/communism and anti-liberalism.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by stalfosknight »

scns wrote: post #58
stalfosknight wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I generally agree that one should not conflate private individuals with the actions of their government, I do think it is fair to hold people who live in democracies responsible in a general or aggregate sense for the actions of their elected governments. In other words, I think it is fair to say that Italy pulls shit like this because enough Italian voters want it to happen or otherwise let it happen.

> I do think it is fair to hold people who live in democracies responsible in a general or aggregate sense for the actions of their elected governments. Are you american? Should you be held responsible for Trumps' and Musks' actions?

I am American.

I did not vote for Trump and I think he belongs in prison. I am not responsible as an individual but as an American I do accept that elections have consequences that we are all collectively responsible for. Sovereignty rests with We The People.

The Democratic Party lost a crazy contest to a crazy man and honestly I'm even more furious with the Democrats for losing an election that they had absolutely no business losing than I am with Trump right now.

Regardless, my point was more that the Europeans seem to delight in their heavy-handed regulations and obnoxious court orders rather than address the real issue of why people feel the need to go out of their way to stream sports events via the black market or rolling up their sleeves and providing compelling alternatives to all of these big bad American tech companies they love to hate but can't stop using.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by ilikepi »

perching_aix wrote: post #13

Am I correct in recognizing this as a new low, or is there a prior example for such a demand?

Sony sued Quad9 in Germany back in 2021 and won an early injunction[1], however Quad9 successfully appealed[2]. Interestingly, Sony is now going after them in Italy according to that second article.

[1]: https://torrentfreak.com/sony-wins-pirate-site-blocking-orde...

[2]: https://torrentfreak.com/dns-resolver-quad9-wins-pirate-site...

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by stalfosknight »

miki123211 wrote: post #51
stalfosknight wrote: post #36

Why must the Europeans be like this? Why do they insist on fucking with a free and open internet instead of addressing the apparently unmet demand that is fueling a black market?

For one simple reason. If the US wants some content gone from the internet, they (usually) have enough might to make that happen. Most major tech companies are registered in the US, and can be ordered by a US court to stop providing services to pirates. This notably includes most major DNS registrars, reputable ad networks and major payment processors. There's no point in blocking a website if you can just boot it of…

I disagree.

Site blocking is the lazy solution favored by bureaucrats who don't understand technology and as an easy way out for their tech companies from having to adapt to what the people are demanding (and getting from the black market instead). If the streaming services refuse to offer what the people want, then the people will bypass them.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by voxic11 »

djoldman wrote: post #7

> This decision follows a similar case against Internet backbone firm Cloudflare. In January, the Court of Milan found that Cloudflare's CDN, DNS server, and WARP VPN were facilitating piracy. The court threatened Cloudflare with fines of up to 10,000 euros per day if it did not begin blocking the sites. I'm always curious about jurisdiction on this stuff. If Cloudflare had no physical machines, employees, and proper…

Imagine an American defrauded a bunch of Italians remotely from America and then when Italy tried to extradite him he claimed that he had never been to Italy so their laws couldn't possibly apply to him. That would obviously be absurd. And similarly since Cloudflare engages in business transactions (albeit remotely) in Italy they must follow Italian law regulating such transactions.
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