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Re: NASA TV feed of 10:31 pm PDT Curiosity landing

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what's up with all the "what does it mean for the nation"? It's a huge step for the humanity, not only the US. And the actual rover is filled with instruments from all over the world. From wiki: > ChemCam ... developed by the Los Alamos National Laboratory and French CESR > Alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer ... APXS was developed by Canadian Space agency. > Sample analysis at Mars ... was developed by Goddard Space f…

I think the difference here is pretty clear: If you want the best instruments you should look around internationally. There is so much diversity there, so much specialities, that you will always be able to find some places in the world that are exceptionally good at building them besides just the US. However, if you actually want to get those things to the surface of Mars and let them do meaningful work, the best opt…

> However, if you actually want to get those things to the surface of Mars and let them do meaningful work, the best option is the US. ESA didn’t even manage a (successful) landing yet, Russia is failing constantly.

Not on Mars no (Beagle 2 was a bit anomalous, having a budget that would barely cover Nasa's stationary costs each year and wasn't secure until about half way through the project anyway. Very embarrassing from a PM point of view). But don't discount Huygens! That was pretty spectacular, especially given how much less we know about Titan.

Asside: I asked a few people who worked on the Huygens landing system why that worked so well but why ESA hasn't been able to recreate that success. They said, quick as a flash, project management. ESA used to PM their projects with a small, powerful project office. Now the sub a lot of the PM out to the big contractors, who seem to just do MS Word documents about how they can't deliver anything and it's someone else's fault.

You need good PMs (we all know this anyway right?). The MSL PM is also the MER (spirit and opportunity) PM, Pete Theisinger. He is a great man. There's a fantastic talk he gave a few years ago, that should delight anyone into ambitious and cool engineering projects, about the development of MER. You can see that he's the kind of guy you'd like to work for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7ZBLklsUys

Edit: typo.

Re: NASA TV feed of 10:31 pm PDT Curiosity landing

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If this is successful, do you guys think we'll see a man on mars in the next 20-40 years?

Most of the research to be made on extraterrestrial colonization can be done in the Moon for much cheaper.

The terraforming of Mars is also controversial at this point, while we still want to make sure about possible past (or present) life in Mars, so we won't export bacteria to Mars any time soon. We are pretty sure the Moon is devoid of biological life so the first colonies would be placed there.

Honestly the only point of sending people to Mars now would be to say "first!" pretty much as it happened when we first landed in the Moon to not come back in many decades.

Re: NASA TV feed of 10:31 pm PDT Curiosity landing

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what's up with all the "what does it mean for the nation"? It's a huge step for the humanity, not only the US. And the actual rover is filled with instruments from all over the world. From wiki: > ChemCam ... developed by the Los Alamos National Laboratory and French CESR > Alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer ... APXS was developed by Canadian Space agency. > Sample analysis at Mars ... was developed by Goddard Space f…

The US deserves massive, massive kudos for this mission, and space exploration in general.

Granted, lots of other countries do excellent work, there's no doubt about that, but the commitment level is different by a huge margin.

Just take a look at what NASA is doing right this very second. They just landed a rover on Mars; they have 2 satellites around Mars; they have satellites around Saturn, Mercury, and Vesta; they have spacecraft on their way to Jupiter and Pluto; they have a planet hunting space telescope which has discovered hundreds of extra-solar planets already; they have Hubble; they have an X-ray telescope; they have a gamma-ray telescope which just recently provided potential confirmation on the origin and nature of dark matter. Oh, and they have another operational rover on Mars. And this isn't even everything, nor does it touch manned spaceflight.

The ESA has been doing some pretty amazing work in the past few years (with Mars Express, Huygens, Rosetta, Planck/Herschel, XMM, Cluster, SOHO, and their cooperation on NASA missions and others) and Japan and others have been doing good work as well, but the budgetary commitment as a percentage of GDP is just not comparable. We shouldn't take NASA's successes and say "oh, well, a bunch of other nations helped out some too, so, go world!" We should give NASA their due, and we should give other space agencies their due as well, and we should challenge the world to support space science missions to the level they deserve.

Re: NASA TV feed of 10:31 pm PDT Curiosity landing

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what's up with all the "what does it mean for the nation"? It's a huge step for the humanity, not only the US. And the actual rover is filled with instruments from all over the world. From wiki: > ChemCam ... developed by the Los Alamos National Laboratory and French CESR > Alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer ... APXS was developed by Canadian Space agency. > Sample analysis at Mars ... was developed by Goddard Space f…

I can safely say that I HATE a lot of the American agenda especially when it comes to foreign policy, but in this case I would only hope that American tax payers felt at least a shred of pride and sense of ownership in this amazing accomplishment if it had any influence in swaying the American government from their current investments and back to incredible projects like this.

Re: NASA TV feed of 10:31 pm PDT Curiosity landing

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"We are safe on Mars." Humanity rocks sometimes.

It seems like every single person at JPL is teary eyed, this is awesome. Edit: The crowd at Planetary Society started chanting "USA! USA!" and Bill Nye the Science Guy quickly made them change it to "JPL! Planet Earth!" freaking awesome. Edit #2: Every. Single. One. of NASA's websites is offline and overloaded. I know it's a DDoS due to everyone trying to look at the images, but this is really a good example of 'Hey,…

>The crowd at Planetary Society started chanting "USA! USA!" and Bill Nye the Science Guy quickly made them change it to "JPL! Planet Earth!" freaking awesome.

yet more evidence that scientists hate america

Re: NASA TV feed of 10:31 pm PDT Curiosity landing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

cnn.com is, but they're just repeating the nasa feed unmodified.

Be thankful. They could have cutover to Ryan Seacrest interviewing a rock.

They missed out on some ratings gold, there.

Re: NASA TV feed of 10:31 pm PDT Curiosity landing

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I am so happy to have been watching this historic event! I cannot believe that there were no network affiliates carrying the EDL live from JPL. I watched it happily on Ustream, but I'm upset about it. I tried to check NBC up to 18 minutes prior, and they weren't even showing an olympic event. They showed some taped interview with a British rowing medalist from 20 years ago. If the whole thing is on tape delay anyway, what is their excuse? What if I'm not someone who has a computer connected to their television and only had a TV? Every American should have been able to see this live. This is the greatest feat of engineering in history!!!
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