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Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by impossiblefork »

tbrownaw wrote: post #71
impossiblefork wrote: post #30

It really isn't smart to do this kind of thing. Once an organization actually attacks you, it's very easy to decide that any legitimacy they view themselves as having is irrelevant and to come back next Monday with mortars and machine guns.

> any legitimacy they view themselves as having I'm pretty sure that's not actually how power or legitimacy work anyway.

Once they're shooting at you, or going after you in some other way, that legitimacy etc. is irrelevant, simply because they're going after you.

The solution is then always an organized military response. This applies whether it's your government or somebody else's.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by pclmulqdq »

amelius wrote: post #85
pclmulqdq wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police also regularly use tear gas against US citizens. These are weapons that would violate the Geneva convention, but we're okay with them to disperse a crowd.

What would ICC think of it, I wonder.

The ICC is fine with it. France is a particularly big fan of firing tear gas canisters at protestors. It's not just the US.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by timewizard »

Aeolun wrote: post #54
timewizard wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a weapon meant to deny the use of an area by threatening non-selective permanent physical damage. There are very few legitimate civil use cases for something like that.

Something like protecting the capitol from being stormed by a mob?

I might have tried just closing and locking the doors first.

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Post by jvanderbot »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #87
pclmulqdq wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police also regularly use tear gas against US citizens. These are weapons that would violate the Geneva convention, but we're okay with them to disperse a crowd.

are they against the Geneva convention because of the direct effects, or because in a war you’d then proceed to kill everyone while they’re coughing?

Both? Indiscriminate chemical weapons is the issue, not the intent. Otherwise wouldn't all weapons be illegal?

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by perching_aix »

CaffeineLD50 wrote: post #69
perching_aix wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I don't think that's what they were implying.

And what do you think they were implying ? A world of fairies and unicorns where protests are tolerated and bad guys just retire to Dubai ?

Yes, just without the fairies and the unicorns (or the Dubai travel destination). Or even the retiring.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by tpm »

impossiblefork wrote: post #70
captainkrtek wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of the escalation seen in the Ukrainian Maidan, went from some heavy handed policing to non-lethal rounds (eg: teargas / beanbags) to BBs to snipers and live firing on crowds.

Yes, although that was exceptionally irrational, to the point where I don't really feel I understand the events.

It would be rational if you would think killing a few (or a lot of) protesters will intimidate the rest of the country into submission. It didn't, but it could have.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by impossiblefork »

6r17 wrote: post #72
impossiblefork wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once there's violence targeting you, the solution is to bring real weapons and resolve it using ordinary military tactics, that is, you kill the operator.

Defensive measure are also enjoyable as they give an increased tactical field - as to put it, they increase the luck area.

Yes, but presumably dealing with just a couple of systems like this has to be a quick matter. These things are probably off right now, so it's just a matter of finding them, shooting the people guarding them and either destroying or taking them.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by grujicd »

Close friend who was on the spot described it as car or plane running towards you, you don't only hear it, you also feel vibrations in the body creating panic and fear.

All demonstrations of LRAD I heard on youtube were with high pitched sound, not a "whoosh" as witnesses experienced last night in Belgrade. Can these devices play any kind of sound?

What is described by victims, and what can be heard on some recordings from last nights, sounds more like Vortex Cannon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJpChS-_RJg

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