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Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by IshKebab »

turtletontine wrote: post #52
muxamilian wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Genuinely curious

(Jumping to assume what the original commenter meant:) China is pushing RISC V aggressively, and might be a lot more likely to succeed in making competitively powerful cores than €240M pounds spent in Europe, where money won’t go nearly as far. I imagine one of the biggest constraints on success here is just expertise. If Apple’s hardware team, or Qualcomm’s Oryon team were tasked with making a high performance RISC…

I work in this space and I would say it's pretty even between Europe (the UK in particular, but also other countries like the Netherlands and France) and China.

> where money won’t go nearly as far

I'm not sure about this either - apparently high tech salaries in China are not out of line with Europe (both are way less than America).

But China does have more enormous companies that can fund their own chips (e.g. ByteDance).

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by wraaath »

simion314 wrote: post #78
briandear wrote: post #29

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If the goal is to decouple from the U.S., why would the EU want to collaborate with a totalitarian state like China?

At UN votes when voting about Ruzzian invasion China abstain while USA voted with Ruzzia and other most despicable dictatorships. Still waiting for a MAGA explain this 5D chess move and explain what the USA citizen won from this.

"MAGA" voted in the manchurian candidate. Dismantling oversight, accountability, throwing out old alliances and siding with the global aggressors. The US government is rapidly turning into a kleptocracy.

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by tux1968 »

hulitu wrote: post #59
tux1968 wrote: post #6

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https://milkv.io/duo Gives you something to play around with, very inexpensively. But really, virtual machines may be preferable; at least to get started.

> But really, virtual machines may be preferable; at least to get started. And what shall one emulate in a VM ? A nonexisting physical processor ? /s

https://www.qemu.org/docs/master/system/target-riscv.html

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by svorakang »

addicted wrote: post #44
briandear wrote: post #29

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If the goal is to decouple from the U.S., why would the EU want to collaborate with a totalitarian state like China?

If it’s open source it doesn’t matter who the state they’re collaborating with is.

Well. I have worked quite a bit with Chinese businesses and let's just put like this: It does not matter much whatever license you think the SW or HW has. Whatever is available will be used and modified to the liking of the customer.

It is common for new employees to walk in with code bases of previous projects they have worked with and there is a great deal of administration involved in ensuring that no one else gets to work with more code than they absolutely need. Local builds and copying binary archives is common practice!

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by happymellon »

briandear wrote: post #29
throwaway888abc wrote: post #8

China recently moved that direction. That would be nice collaboration to see between EU and China. China to publish policy to boost RISC-V chip use nationwide, sources say https://www.reuters.com/technology/china-publish-policy-boos...

If the goal is to decouple from the U.S., why would the EU want to collaborate with a totalitarian state like China?

Because RISC V results would be something the Europeans could produce?

We are reliant on the US as only 2 companies can make the x86/64 chips. I don't think Europe would be completely against working with a US or Chinese company like Hi Five/Star Five, as long as we weren't dependent on them, and could pull ties if they abused their position of control.

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by boredatoms »

Someone wrote: post #34
6SixTy wrote: post #22

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Choosing RISC-V here is more about how much soverienty a country has over the IP than anything else here. The US can probably consider most-all ARM IP to be dual use technology and immediately deny use of it. RISC-V being based out of Switzerland, the ISA being under a permissive Creative Commons license, and most software tools being FOSS is definitely why it's being adopted here. It's completely isolated from all g…

> The US can probably consider most-all ARM IP to be dual use technology and immediately deny use of it. The US (certainly the current US) can do that, but ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arm_Holdings ): “Arm Holdings plc (formerly an acronym for Advanced RISC Machines and originally Acorn RISC Machine) is a Japanese-owned British semiconductor and software design company based in Cambridge, England”

ARM in stock listed in New York, it cant avoid US assertions

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by timeon »

briandear wrote: post #26
daveguy wrote: post #9

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RISC-V is an open standard. ARM still needs to be licensed. The world is abandoning rent seekers.

Is ARM better than RiSC? How many RISC computers can I go buy right now at the local Carrefour here in Barcelona? Weird definition of “abandoning.”

I'm not native English speaker but I think that the current and near situation in local Carrefour would be influenced by “abandoned” rather than “abandoning”.

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by XorNot »

happymellon wrote: post #96
briandear wrote: post #29

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If the goal is to decouple from the U.S., why would the EU want to collaborate with a totalitarian state like China?

Because RISC V results would be something the Europeans could produce? We are reliant on the US as only 2 companies can make the x86/64 chips. I don't think Europe would be completely against working with a US or Chinese company like Hi Five/Star Five, as long as we weren't dependent on them, and could pull ties if they abused their position of control.

Isn't the supplier of lithography machines for TSMC Dutch?

While that's not the entire process, and it would be a 20 year endeavour, it seems like funding the development of local capability here would be eminently doable.

Europe is also the current heavy hitter for fundamental physics research, so attracting talent and maintaining an ecosystem should be much more achievable.

Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing

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Post by geysersam »

tehjoker wrote: post #86
briandear wrote: post #29

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If the goal is to decouple from the U.S., why would the EU want to collaborate with a totalitarian state like China?

Simple: China is only totalitarian in western propaganda. "Yellow Peril" is a tired trope, it's a democracy. It's difficult to characterize the U.S. as a democracy, and our social progress is rolling backwards.

I'm very impressed and fascinated by the Chinese society and their progress. I love the country and it's rich history. But is it a democracy? No not according to my idea of what that word means.

It's a great country nonetheless, people are free in China, they have their own system and it works for them, good! Why pretend it's a democracy?

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