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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

#91

I genuinely wish there was an understandable endgame for the USA. The USA seems to be throwing its weight around but I’m not entirely sure to what end. This headline/article is just one area where the US is behaving perplexingly. I understand that Trump wants Zelenskyy to sign the minerals deal and that implicitly there’s security guarantees. Fine there’s at least a through line. However; by demonstrating that the US…

> I understand that Trump wants Zelenskyy to sign the minerals deal and that implicitly there’s security guarantees.

I don't think this is true at all, I think Trump wants Ukraine to be conquered and for Russia to win and for people to stop bothering him about any of it.

Trump blew up whatever nonsense minerals deal there was, and is actively sabotaging the Ukrainian defence efforts via this, and ending intelligence sharing, and apparently leaning on random American companies to stop them selling services to Ukraine, and by providing diplomatic cover and support to Russia.

people haven't seem to have caught on yet - the US has switched sides, it is now part of the Russia bloc.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

#93

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It makes the US oligarchs comparatively stronger within the US though, with foreign backing diminished, which is probably the main objective of this circus.

How so? Isn't is way better when other countries heavily investing in your economy?

better for who?

I think everyone is underestimating the changes that are happening. Obviously if Trump wanted a prosperous USA, he wouldn't be isolating it, and destroying the federal government and wrecking scientific research and diplomacy across the world.

but an overall poorer US with a permanent far right government under the control of a small group of rich lunatics is better for those rich lunatics.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

#94

I genuinely wish there was an understandable endgame for the USA. The USA seems to be throwing its weight around but I’m not entirely sure to what end. This headline/article is just one area where the US is behaving perplexingly. I understand that Trump wants Zelenskyy to sign the minerals deal and that implicitly there’s security guarantees. Fine there’s at least a through line. However; by demonstrating that the US…

NATO as has existed is already over. Nobody has any faith that the US will follow through on its Article 5 obligations.

The fun part - US is the only country that called Article 5.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzgPJeYZaOU

The second video repeats the same argument: the "NATO's eastward march". Putin says Russia had to start the war in Ukraine to stop NATO from expanding too close (he failed as two more countries joined NATO). But when you dig one "why?" deeper you can understand that NATO is not a self-aware entity that expands and threats, it's an alliance of countries that realize that if Russia attacks them and they are alone, they are in the same situation as Ukraine: alone and doomed to begging for help. Whereas if they stand together, Russia will think twice before attacking them. That's why Putin hates NATO so much: he can't freely conquer the Baltics - he'd have done it already in 2008 or so. So he uses anti-NATO rhetoric that people in Russia buy. Maybe they are really afraid Estonia or Bulgaria attacks Russia? Who knows what's in their heads.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is russian propaganda and it is important to know what it says, to be able to recognize it when you see it elsewhere, from the mouth of an influencer, a politician, a comment on the Web etc.

Rejecting theories by labeling them "propaganda" with out any justification is not really helping here.

Some of us have been following European politics for a long time, friend.

When we call out propaganda you can listen to us.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Time for us in Europe to man up.

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Better than having to cry in russian in 20 years.

Also, according to Perun, if Europe collectively raises defense spending to somewhere near 4,5% (I think, check last Sundays episode) it will outspend not only US but US and China together.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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That wasn't the reason I think, rather than some people abusing the flag option to keep anything they don't like off the front page, thinking their personal preferences are more important than what everyone else votes.

Please send a polite mail to dang, he is really helpful.

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