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Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by johannes1234321 »

nzach wrote: post #72
tpoacher wrote: post #50

This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to factcheck something that relates to the ongoing discussion. Or having a side-chat with another member, privately expressing/requesting an opinion to provide context. Or to take quick notes. Or, nowadays, you might even be using an AI to keep a running summary of what the speaker has been rambling about in the last 50 minutes, translated from 'buzzspeak' to 'human…

I agree with you, but this doesn't mean this data is useless. You could could count how many people are using their phones by speaker. "When Alice speaks 18% of the members use their phones for more than 15 minutes, but when Bob speaks the rate is 27%." could be a proxy to understand how important the parliament thinks the subject/speaker is.

So you will find that a minority opposition person will have less attention than a leading person on the government side?

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by robertlagrant »

amiga386 wrote: post #26
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #6

This is useless, if you don't know what they're doing on their phones. Fact checking the speaker? Playing candy crush? Who knows.

Watching porn! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61245040 https://news.sky.com/story/neil-parish-mp-accused-of-watchin...

> We are supposed to set an example in this place

I think that went out of the window a long time ago. All the shouting and booing - they're like kids watching a pantomime.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by ziddoap »

float4 wrote: post #60
tpoacher wrote: post #50

This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to factcheck something that relates to the ongoing discussion. Or having a side-chat with another member, privately expressing/requesting an opinion to provide context. Or to take quick notes. Or, nowadays, you might even be using an AI to keep a running summary of what the speaker has been rambling about in the last 50 minutes, translated from 'buzzspeak' to 'human…

You call it silly because you could be doing useful stuff on your phone. I'd go one step further and say that even if you're slacking off that's not necessarily a bad thing. Everybody, including politicians, slacks off from time to time. Be it due to stress, awful sleep because the neighbor's dog barked all night, illness, or something else. It's just human and there's little wrong with it as long as you do your job…

You're being downvoted, but I agree with you.

I obviously don't want politicians to be habitually slacking off, but everyone has good days and bad days. There are days where I spend half my time on HN instead of working (hello today), but I typically make up for it shortly afterwards by having a super productive day. The important fact is that, on average, I'm productive and deliver on my job duties.

Politicians should absolutely be held accountable, it's an important job, but I don't think they should be held to standards that we hold no one else to.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by itishappy »

pjc50 wrote: post #7

Fun, but also kind of a dick move to apply bossware to more people; the phone is where the real politics happens.

Agreed, but maybe the goal is to drive awareness that this is a dick move in the people best positioned to enact change?

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by noelrock »

As a former politician, I really don't love this.

It's already difficult enough to get people of the capacities that most of us want to see (good, smart, could be employed elsewhere, empathetic) involved in politics as it's so negative and divisive.

There are, as other comments highlight, loads of legitimate and reasonable reasons why somebody would be using a phone mid-debate: rebuttal research, communicating with colleagues in chamber, communicating with their own office/staff, the list is fairly long and reasonably legitimate.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by Jach »

underseacables wrote: post #8

Please do this for congress!! It would be fascinating to see stats posted for each person, etc. BUT more interesting would be the response of the politicians. Will they use their devices less, or will the cameras be ordered turned off and the live stream halted?

Having once sat in one of the chairs in the House Chamber, I'll fault no politician for fidgeting with their phone. If whatever is being discussed is rather irrelevant or droning on, you've got to do something to stay awake with such comfort.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by grayhatter »

mathgeek wrote: post #14
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, if anything, all that stuff regular people are subjected to, must be now be used against people in power just to let them feel the weight of reality they have created. It is not that dissimilar to how Musk flights were tracked by a bot on Twitter not that long ago. Is it a dick move? Sure, but I am tired of there being two set of rules for those with power and those without it.

> Sure, but I am tired of there being two set of rules for those with power and those without it. Can you elaborate on how this project is going to impact that? What change do you expect will come about from it?

IIRC a lot of politicians in the US have been very anti-gay, until a family member they cared about came out as gay. Suddenly, and only then did they start to care about human rights.

Ideally, this will result in more politicians being upset about needless ~~user~~ human hostility. And perhaps a few of them will understand the implications of why it's bad.

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by punnerud »

blitzar wrote: post #85
tpoacher wrote: post #50

This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to factcheck something that relates to the ongoing discussion. Or having a side-chat with another member, privately expressing/requesting an opinion to provide context. Or to take quick notes. Or, nowadays, you might even be using an AI to keep a running summary of what the speaker has been rambling about in the last 50 minutes, translated from 'buzzspeak' to 'human…

This is beyond silly. You could be using your phone to to find a hooker for tonight. A legit uses of technology. Normally they use their iPads for that though.

And you can use your iPad or computer to check Facebook

Re: Automatically tagging politician when they use their phone on the livestreams

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

totetsu wrote: post #18

Living in a country that doesn't speak my first language, I use the dictionary all the time during meetings and presentations. I hate it when people tell me that’s rude.. Okay I'll just sit here and not understand what was said to keep up appearances?

What if you use a physical (paper) dictionary? Perhaps people will respond to it better.
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