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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by moi2388 »

bobongo wrote: post #42
nuccy wrote: post #6

Thus two messages for every other country: 1. Make nukes, never give up on those regardless of what assurances of safety you get 2. If you are bigger and stronger - you are right, do whatever you want, international laws and rules do not matter any more Lets see where all this will bring the world to in the next 10 years or a generation.

There will be a world war within the next 3 years, not 10.

There already is. It’s just done through non-conventional means, hybrid warfare and proxies, since all superpowers have nukes now.

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Post by geysersam »

kstenerud wrote: post #64
BobbyTables2 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was news to me, but crazy enough to seem plausible. I now see a lot of news headlines talking about it. On the bright side, if that happens, Alfred Nobel’s grave will become a perpetual motion machine…

The thing is, the Nobel Committee for the Peace Prize is Norwegian. And Norway has a land border with Russia...

The thing what? That has absolutely nothing to do with it

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Post by moi2388 »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #23
_ra61 wrote: post #3

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Interesting analysis. The shadow of the Iraq & Afghan wars looms large over current events and shouldn't be underestimated. And of course, those wouldn't have happened without 9/11. That one event seems to have led the US to begin to self destruct.

It was happening before that.

The problem with Iraq and Afghanistan was the same as previous wars and in fact most policies.

If you don’t have clear, measurable goals, your project will fail regardless what domain it is in.

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Post by csomar »

ellis0n wrote: post #89
csomar wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are focusing on the wrong things. You need to leave immediately (and take your family if you can). If you can't leave the country try going nearby the Polish border.

I agree, it's better to be closer to the Polish border. That's why I wrote that I need funds to be able to take any action. The last time such a move cost me over $10k and I also volunteered to help my family and others.

No such a move only costs a few hundred dollars at most and maybe free if you are willing to rough it up with the truck drivers. The situation can only be complicated by immediate family members but still it's only a car rental or convincing somebody with a car to drive you there.

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Post by 4ndrewl »

jordanb wrote: post #40
Trasmatta wrote: post #5

This was clearly the plan all along. The farce at the White House was just the pretense.

Yeah I think the whole thing was planned in Riyadh between Trump, Putin and MBS. Which makes one wonder what MBS's role is. My theory is that he will organize OPEC production cuts, designed to boost Russia's economy and crush Europe's.

Putin's stated aims are the expansion of Russia to 100 year old borders and the destruction of the EU. So that figures, yes.

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Post by klipt »

csomar wrote: post #90
arunabha wrote: post #19

It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…

It is not a petty tantrum though it might look like one. You have to consider that the incumbents have won the US elections, that's not a small feat. What many people are missing is that if the US main challenger is China and beating Russia is a far thing, then it makes sense for the US to ally with Russia against China. For that, the US might need to give Russia something (some EU countries?) for this hustle and als…

> it makes sense for the US to ally with Russia against China

Economically and population wise Russia is tiny compared to the West (Canada, EU, etc) It makes no sense to trade our alliance with the West for alliance with much weaker and poorer Russia.

I think Russia has compromising info on Trump. That's the simplest explanation.

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Post by almosthere »

csomar wrote: post #84
ellis0n wrote: post #69

Hello from Ukraine and I need help. The war in Ukraine has made it impossible to run my startup. Due to unlimited attacks it has become impossible to focus on anything other than the war. Of course, the war certainly needs to be stopped, but no one really knows how to do it correctly and I'm not sure anything good will come of it. After 3 years of the war, my memory has started to deteriorate and I’ve encountered iss…

You are focusing on the wrong things. You need to leave immediately (and take your family if you can). If you can't leave the country try going nearby the Polish border.

i don't understand why people are telling people to leave ukraine. if that's the stance, then why not just let russia have it. If everyone left, then there's no war to be had?

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Post by TheSunSet »

nuccy wrote: post #6

Thus two messages for every other country: 1. Make nukes, never give up on those regardless of what assurances of safety you get 2. If you are bigger and stronger - you are right, do whatever you want, international laws and rules do not matter any more Lets see where all this will bring the world to in the next 10 years or a generation.

This has been true since 1945

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Post by georgemcbay »

DasCorCor wrote: post #27
_ra61 wrote: post #3

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Trump is talking about invading Canada, Mexico, Greenland, and Panama. Labeling him as “non-interventionist” is in bad faith.

"He doesn't intend to do the bad things he claims, only the good things"

And they say anti-Trumpers are the ones with 'Trump Derangement Syndrome'...

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