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Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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Post by HackerThemAll »

josteink wrote: post #89
HackerThemAll wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More of you switch to data-harvesting Chromium derivatives and scams, and we'll have no true alternative browser, the only one that is Manifest V2 compatible.

> the only one that is Manifest V2 compatible Could you provide a reason why that is a feature? All the extensions I’ve implemented runs fine as V3 manifests, and they allow much more fine-grained security permissions. That’s something I’m happy with, even as a developer. It limits the security impact of whatever flaws my extension may have.

> How Does MV3 Affect uBlock Origin?

> uBlock Origin relies heavily on the webRequest API to block unwanted content before it loads. Under MV3, the webRequest API is limited, and extensions are encouraged to use the new declarativeNetRequest API instead. This new API allows for predefined rules but lacks some of the dynamic capabilities that uBlock Origin utilizes for advanced content blocking.

https://ublockorigin.com/

Same for NoScript.

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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Post by luckylion »

dmurray wrote: post #42
luckylion wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You typically get multiple reminders. If that's "an error", then that's an error that will happen again and again and again. That's a problematic customer you don't want unless you're otherwise broke or want to keep them for other reasons (e.g. publicity).

Or if your marginal cost is small (eg, if your primary product is software) so a slow or delinquent payer doesn't actually cost you anything.

At least where I live & work, I have to pay taxes the when I invoice, not when I receive payment, so they cost me 20% of the billed amount, at least temporarily.

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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Post by sdk- »

Aleklart wrote: post #78
sylvestre wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes

Please tell guys who is responsible for js engine to fix handling of large cookies that google is using to slow down youtube on firefox. It is impossible to watch youtube logged in because of that. God bless you sir.

WFM. You might want to either ask help on support.mozilla.org or file a bug on bugzilla.mozilla.org if you have a step to reproduce.

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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Post by tbrownaw »

Symbiote wrote: post #22
benjojo12 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a pretty good way to get the bill paid to be honest I also run a B2B SaaS and I have found that over time the customers who I think are going to be terrible for paying, typically tend to be very good at paying and the customers who I think are going to be very good for paying (in that they have good standing in the community in things like that) tend to be pretty bad at paying on time (and with NET30 and all) Ul…

We've been overdue on something like this, but a public notice would have left us moving to a competitor. It's easy for it to happen if a colleague is away for a month, or has left, and the bill isn't being seen by anyone. Do you read (do you even receive?) out-of-office replies to your invoices? Of course it shouldn't be on an individual's email, but with annual billing it's easy to overlook.

> It's easy for it to happen if a colleague is away for a month, or has left, and the bill isn't being seen by anyone.

Why TF would important things like that go to a single person's individual mailbox?

Take a couple hours to set up a canned ticketing / helpdesk thing or something, and have bills and other vendor alerts go to that email alias.

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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Post by josteink »

HackerThemAll wrote: post #91
josteink wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the only one that is Manifest V2 compatible Could you provide a reason why that is a feature? All the extensions I’ve implemented runs fine as V3 manifests, and they allow much more fine-grained security permissions. That’s something I’m happy with, even as a developer. It limits the security impact of whatever flaws my extension may have.

> How Does MV3 Affect uBlock Origin? > uBlock Origin relies heavily on the webRequest API to block unwanted content before it loads. Under MV3, the webRequest API is limited, and extensions are encouraged to use the new declarativeNetRequest API instead. This new API allows for predefined rules but lacks some of the dynamic capabilities that uBlock Origin utilizes for advanced content blocking. https://ublockorigin.c…

Fair enough. But it’s clearly a trade-off.

Some may want extensions with unchecked, unrestricted permissions to be able to do all-the-things (tm).

Me on the other hand (and possibly others), with open-source projects often going haywire and crazy over time, feel more comfortable knowing that extensions cannot do more than I have permitted them.

I guess this is for the market to decide. If V2 provides enough value for enough users, it will stick around.

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

#96

Post by sylvestre »

Aleklart wrote: post #78
sylvestre wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes

Please tell guys who is responsible for js engine to fix handling of large cookies that google is using to slow down youtube on firefox. It is impossible to watch youtube logged in because of that. God bless you sir.

As others said, having more details would be helpful (or a bug report on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/).

In general, we quickly act on obvious bugs/regressions on major websites. Often, such major issues on big websites are caused by certain add-ons or antivirus software.

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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Post by sylvestre »

zx8080 wrote: post #68
sylvestre wrote: post #44

Please don't read too much into this ;) We moved from self-hosted Discourse to hosted Discourse. The transfer was initiated late from the Mozilla side (my bad) and the automatic system from Discourse kicked in.

Thanks for the explanation! Is there any chance to move away from the Discourse? It's a bit too slow (on any page opening), but the biggest issue is its hostile habit of catching the browser "find in page" hotkey (replacing the local find with the remote site search).

While I do understand the frustration, I think the "find in page" hotkey isn't a big enough reason to change the platform. Myself, I am happy with the performances. By the way, what would you replace it with?

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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Post by noAnswer »

Symbiote wrote: post #40
luckylion wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You typically get multiple reminders. If that's "an error", then that's an error that will happen again and again and again. That's a problematic customer you don't want unless you're otherwise broke or want to keep them for other reasons (e.g. publicity).

Multiple reminders to the same person isn't much use if he's in hospital, and you're ignoring the out-of-office replies. The time this happened to us, I was pleased the company looked at our website and phoned the receptionist. We paid the bill within an hour, and moved the responsibility to the finance and IT teams. Maybe there are too many customers who just ignore bills for services they no longer want to use, I d…

I know of a company that missed its yearly Microsoft Exchange Online payment. After four month Microsoft cut of their email. Which one could argue is also a "public notice" because emails bounced. (That did the trick and the company paid immediately.)

You are telling me:

1. Microsoft should have tried to find a different way to contact and reach out.

2. That you would have moved your eMail/Groupware to someone else because of that.

To each their own.

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

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Post by tatersolid »

I learned the hard way (major outage) back in the 1990s that no accounts payable or accounts receivable should ever be tied to a single person’s email address. You should use a shared mailbox account like ap@example.com when signing up for all services, or supply that as a separate billing address if the vendor allows. Then you make sure there are always at least three employees monitoring that mailbox, even as people come and go.

Re: Mozilla site down due to "overdue hosting payments" [fixed]

#100

Post by throwaway67743 »

sylvestre wrote: post #44

Please don't read too much into this ;) We moved from self-hosted Discourse to hosted Discourse. The transfer was initiated late from the Mozilla side (my bad) and the automatic system from Discourse kicked in.

Given Mozilla's continual frittering away of cash, would it not show some constraint to not pay for "cloud" hosted stuff for things that could easily be hosted by Mozilla and probably for less (with a less absurd choice of software) - it's already pretty much game over anyway, as a long time defender of Mozilla it is impossible these days to argue.
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