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AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by bavell »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #64
mastax wrote: post #54

So about 20% better value than Nvidia comparing MSRPs. Not terrible but that’s what they offered last generation and got 10% market share as a result. If the market price of Nvidia cards remains 20-50% above MSRP while AMD can hit their prices, then maybe we have a ballgame.

MSRP doesn't mean anything right now, it's just a made up number at this point. Let's see the real sticker prices once the cards hit the scalpers cough-cough I mean shelves.

I also hear that the stock is almost non-existent for the 5000 series. Ball is in AMDs court, let's see what happens...

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by EndShell »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #7

Is modern Radeon support on Linux still great? I've heard that NV Geforce on Linux was kinda bad since ever, but it has massively improved over the past 3-4 years. Is Radeon still the way to go for Linux? EDIT: My usecase is a Linux gaming PC. I was fortunate enough to score an RX 6800 during the pandemic, but moved from Windows 10 to Linux a month ago. Everything seems solid, but I'm looking to upgrade the whole PC…

I use a 6800XT with Debian 12. As long as you have the `non-free-firmware` repo enabled in Debian 12 (it is by default), AMD cards should just work.

I've played quite a few games on Linux. Performance is still better on Windows though.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by numpad0 »

wronglebowski wrote: post #48

No ROCm at launch? After they delayed it for months? What a joke. That's like not having CUDA available at launch. https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-ROCm-RX-9070-Launch-Day

Can't Vulkan backends do the job? Not to defend AMD, but so long that perf/dollar stays above NVIDIA just any how, isn't that more than bare minimum effort for them?

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by wronglebowski »

packetlost wrote: post #85
wronglebowski wrote: post #48

No ROCm at launch? After they delayed it for months? What a joke. That's like not having CUDA available at launch. https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-ROCm-RX-9070-Launch-Day

This card is marketed to consumers, not AI developers. Most people who will buy these cards don't even know what ROCm is. Edit: it just doesn't matter for launch day. It'll likely be supported eventually.

Every Nvidia card has CUDA support from day one, regardless of who the market is for it. I wouldn't much as much if all their slides weren't covered in AI, AI, AI, and it didn't ship with some stupid LLM chatbot to help you tune your GPU.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by ryao »

awill wrote: post #63
ryao wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nvidia has long been ahead of AMD. They seem to be close to parity right now thanks to Valve’s efforts, but that has historically not been the case. AMD was the one that needed a decade to catch up until Valve started helping. I wonder if the Radeon driver has gotten reliable GPU restart support. The GPU becoming unrecoverable if a shader crashed was long a major issue on Radeon on Linux, and I am not sure if valve f…

On Windows Nvidia has better drivers. On Linux, AMD is far ahead.

It is mostly the same driver on both platforms. In any case, I use Nvidia’s 565.77 driver on Linux with KDE Plasma 6.2 and Wayland. It works well for me on my RTX 3090 Ti.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by [deleted] »

slavik81 wrote: post #76
wronglebowski wrote: post #48

No ROCm at launch? After they delayed it for months? What a joke. That's like not having CUDA available at launch. https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-ROCm-RX-9070-Launch-Day

The ROCm libraries were built for RDNA 4 starting in ROCm 6.3 (the current ROCm release). I'm not sure whether that means it will be considered officially supported in ROCm 6.3 or if it's just experimental in that release.

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Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by mastax »

ryao wrote: post #74
daemonologist wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RX 7900 (RDNA 3 flagships) are officially supported. I think the 6900 (RDNA 2) was supported at one point as well, and in both cases other cards with the same architecture could usually be made to work as well.

Do you assume that it working means official support? I had been under the impression that RDNA had unofficial ROCm support.

https://rocm.docs.amd.com/projects/install-on-linux/en/lates...

Looks like on Linux the only GPUs which are currently officially supported are the 7900 series.

https://rocm.docs.amd.com/projects/install-on-windows/en/lat...

On Windows the official support covers most (all?) of the discrete desktop 7000 and 6000 series.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by ryao »

tpxl wrote: post #24
ryao wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claims about the Nvidia drivers on Linux being bad are largely a myth. Nvidia has long been the gold standard on Linux (for decades). The main reason for complaints is that Nvidia was slow to support xwayland acceleration (mostly due to Linux mainline making it harder for them - see dmabuf being GPL symbol exported), but that has since been fixed.

nVidia drivers for laptops on Linux are still garbage tier. I either have a choice of no hardware acceleration and working external displays on noveau (which toasts my CPU) or no external displays, but working hardware acceleration, on nvidia drivers which is useless for me. I am definitely not buying an nVidia GPU ever again.

I have a friend who uses multiple displays on his 3080 using the Nvidia driver. They work for him.

It sounds like your issue is related to the dma buf issue that the kernel developers created. I thought that was fixed in recent versions of the open source Nvidia driver. What was the last driver you tried?

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by BoingBoomTschak »

ryao wrote: post #15
theandrewbailey wrote: post #7

Is modern Radeon support on Linux still great? I've heard that NV Geforce on Linux was kinda bad since ever, but it has massively improved over the past 3-4 years. Is Radeon still the way to go for Linux? EDIT: My usecase is a Linux gaming PC. I was fortunate enough to score an RX 6800 during the pandemic, but moved from Windows 10 to Linux a month ago. Everything seems solid, but I'm looking to upgrade the whole PC…

Claims about the Nvidia drivers on Linux being bad are largely a myth. Nvidia has long been the gold standard on Linux (for decades). The main reason for complaints is that Nvidia was slow to support xwayland acceleration (mostly due to Linux mainline making it harder for them - see dmabuf being GPL symbol exported), but that has since been fixed.

Personally, I've seen way more Nvidia specific issues in the mpv bug tracker than AMD.

CUDA vs ROCm (Rusticl?) is probably another story, though.

Re: AMD RDNA 4 – AMD Radeon RX 9000 Series Graphics Cards

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Post by mastax »

It seems very silly to me to change the naming scheme just for the 9000 series when they're going to have to change it again for the next series. Well I suppose they could pull an Intel and go with RX 10070 XT next time. I guess we can be thankful that they didn't call it the AMD Radeon AI Max+ RX 9070 XT.
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