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Re: GPT-4.5

#91

Post by tempaccount420 »

swatcoder wrote: post #57
zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

> "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If you can figure something out, we need you to help us."

Where is this quote from?

Re: GPT-4.5

#92

Post by spiderfarmer »

mvdtnz wrote: post #81
Topfi wrote: post #24

Considering both this blog post and the livestream demos, I am underwhelmed. Having just finished the stream, I had a real "was that all" moment, which on one hand shows how spoiled I've gotten by new models impressing me, but on another feels like OpenAI really struggles to stay ahead of their competitors. What has been shown feels like it could be achieved using a custom system prompt on older versions of OpenAIs m…

> How could they justify that asking price? They're still selling $1 for <$1. Like personal food delivery before it, consumers will eventually need to wake up to this fact - these things will get expensive, fast.

Let a thousand providers bloom.

Re: GPT-4.5

#93

Post by sebastiennight »

tmaly wrote: post #73
sebastiennight wrote: post #37

It is interesting that they are focusing a large part of this release on the model having a higher "EQ" (Emotional Quotient). We're far from the days of "this is not a person, we do not want to make it addictive" and getting a firm foot on the territory of "here's your new AI friend". This is very visible in the example comparing 4o with 4.5 when the user is complaining about failing a test, where 4o's response is wh…

I would like to see a humor test. So far, I have not seen any model response that has made me laugh.

The "roast" tools that have popped up (using either DeepSeek or o3-mini) are pretty funny.

Eg. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43163654

Re: GPT-4.5

#94

Post by rob »

camwhite wrote: post #3

I can't wait for fireship.io and the comment section here to tell me what to think about this

I bet simonw will be adding it to `llm` and someone will be pasting his highlights here right after. Until then, my mind will remain a blank canvas.

Re: GPT-4.5

#95

Post by tmaly »

Topfi wrote: post #24

Considering both this blog post and the livestream demos, I am underwhelmed. Having just finished the stream, I had a real "was that all" moment, which on one hand shows how spoiled I've gotten by new models impressing me, but on another feels like OpenAI really struggles to stay ahead of their competitors. What has been shown feels like it could be achieved using a custom system prompt on older versions of OpenAIs m…

rethinking your comment "was that all" I am listening to the stream now and had a thought. Most of the new models that have come out in the past few weeks have been great at coding and logical reasoning. But 4o has been better at creative writing. I am wondering if 4.5 is going to be even better at creative writing than 4o.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by selalipop »

I've been working on post-training models for tasks that require EQ, so it's validating to see OpenAI working towards that too.

That being said, this is very expensive.

- Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens

- Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens

- Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens

One of the most interesting applications of models with higher EQ is personalized content generation, but the size and cost here are at odds with that.

Re: GPT-4.5

#97

Post by kgeist »

>GPT‑4.5 is more succinct and conversational

I wonder why they highlight it as an achievement when they could have simply tuned 4o to be more conversational and less like a bullet-point-style answer machine. They did something to 4o compared to the previous models which made the responses feel more canned.

Re: GPT-4.5

#98

Post by marlott »

sebastiennight wrote: post #37

It is interesting that they are focusing a large part of this release on the model having a higher "EQ" (Emotional Quotient). We're far from the days of "this is not a person, we do not want to make it addictive" and getting a firm foot on the territory of "here's your new AI friend". This is very visible in the example comparing 4o with 4.5 when the user is complaining about failing a test, where 4o's response is wh…

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Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by nialv7 »

sebastiennight wrote: post #37

It is interesting that they are focusing a large part of this release on the model having a higher "EQ" (Emotional Quotient). We're far from the days of "this is not a person, we do not want to make it addictive" and getting a firm foot on the territory of "here's your new AI friend". This is very visible in the example comparing 4o with 4.5 when the user is complaining about failing a test, where 4o's response is wh…

Well yeah, if the llm can keep you engaged and talking, that'll make them a lot more money; compared to if you just use it as a information retrieval tool in which case you are likely to leave after getting what you are looking for.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by hotpocket777 »

tempaccount420 wrote: post #91
swatcoder wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

> "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If you can figure something out, we need you to help us." Where is this quote from?

It’s not a quote. It is an interpretation or reading of a quote.
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